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Not so long ago, there was a man. His country of birth had been forcibly converted to judaism by the Hasmoneans and then occupied by the time of his birth by Herodian/Roman forces.
During His lifetime, The abuses of power from the Jews and the Romans upon the peoples of Gallilee and Samaria etc, including the decapitation assasination of His ally John,were rampant.
Yet where in the New Testament is the self pity, the resentment, the anger (except for the temple moneylenders bit) and vengeful bloodshed. Indeed, the swordplay in gethsemane was cut short and stopped.
I dont blame you for not wanting the overlords of the country you were born in, I dont want them and I live right in the middle of a large concentration of them. They have the spending power, landlordships, access to law, they set the agenda and frame the legislation, they use ideologies such as marxism,feminism,capitalism and any other ism to divide and rule yet stay above any ideology themselves. The media is full of subtle propaganda to promote whichever paradigm is de riguer.
These people do not have a concept of the nation state per se. They consider themselves globalists and are not of a particular nationality. They do not and will never care about the assumed birthrights of the landless unenfranchised, nor do they care about thier useful idiots being murdered.
Do you suppose that those two young soldiers, about to go to Afghanistan, were really your deadly enemy and that God wanted them dead only 20 years after he had given them life…really?
I am not trolling you Paddy, I wish you well. But well rid of anger,hatred,envy,greed,animosity,self-pity. Because non of these will harm anyones oppressor but will only harm oneself.

Farewell.
 
AdTheBad1 said:
Not so long ago, there was a man. His country of birth had been forcibly converted to judaism by the Hasmoneans and then occupied by the time of his birth by Herodian/Roman forces.
During His lifetime, The abuses of power from the Jews and the Romans upon the peoples of Gallilee and Samaria etc, including the decapitation assasination of His ally John,were rampant.
Yet where in the New Testament is the self pity, the resentment, the anger (except for the temple moneylenders bit) and vengeful bloodshed. Indeed, the swordplay in gethsemane was cut short and stopped.
I dont blame you for not wanting the overlords of the country you were born in, I dont want them and I live right in the middle of a large concentration of them. They have the spending power, landlordships, access to law, they set the agenda and frame the legislation, they use ideologies such as marxism,feminism,capitalism and any other ism to divide and rule yet stay above any ideology themselves. The media is full of subtle propaganda to promote whichever paradigm is de riguer.
These people do not have a concept of the nation state per se. They consider themselves globalists and are not of a particular nationality. They do not and will never care about the assumed birthrights of the landless unenfranchised, nor do they care about thier useful idiots being murdered.
Do you suppose that those two young soldiers, about to go to Afghanistan, were really your deadly enemy and that God wanted them dead only 20 years after he had given them life…really?
I am not trolling you Paddy, I wish you well. But well rid of anger,hatred,envy,greed,animosity,self-pity. Because non of these will harm anyones oppressor but will only harm oneself.

Farewell.
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God want’s no-one to die but it is the harsh reality of any occupation that there is resistance to it by the people who do not wished to be under foreign occupation. I am not filled with anger, hatred self-pity etc, i am simply in support of the pursuit of Justice and Peace in Ireland against an enemy who brought bloodshed and division. Tell me what good will come if we just sit back and let all evil triumph
 
Yes you are right. We’ll withdraw the Crown from N.I and the protestants who have lived there for hundreds of years and who feel threatened by a Roman Catholic hegemony, along with the Jews,Hindus, Muslims and unconcerned. Rehome them in that evil U.K, ya know, that one that swept the slavers from the seas, gave the Sioux respite in Canada and fought off Hitler single handed for a year, gave the world the concept of freedom of conscience, the industrial revolution and a multitude of life saving medical innovations…evil bastards. And do a population swap because all of those Irish in the U.K have now been designated by you and your cohorts as foriegners (thankyou for opening our eyes to thier foriegn-ness. we wouldnt want any of that. We want to be “ourselves alone” or as the now homogenous Irish say “sinn fein”

Pack yer bags (name removed by moderator), me and paddy have sorted it out. yer goin home.
 
AdTheBad1 said:
Yes you are right. We’ll withdraw the Crown from N.I and the protestants who have lived there for hundreds of years and who feel threatened by a Roman Catholic hegemony, along with the Jews,Hindus, Muslims and unconcerned. Rehome them in that evil U.K, ya know, that one that swept the slavers from the seas, gave the Sioux respite in Canada and fought off Hitler single handed for a year, gave the world the concept of freedom of conscience, the industrial revolution and a multitude of life saving medical innovations…evil bastards. And do a population swap because all of those Irish in the U.K have now been designated by you and your cohorts as foriegners (thankyou for opening our eyes to thier foriegn-ness. we wouldnt want any of that. We want to be “ourselves alone” or as the now homogenous Irish say “sinn fein”

Pack yer bags (name removed by moderator), me and paddy have sorted it out. yer goin home.
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Now your just being silly. First off many of the Father’s of Irish Republicanism were protestant’s and the color’s in the Irish National Flag of the Orange and Green is obvious of the unity of a NEW EIRE. Not resorting back to the old one but a new one in which the Irish people as they have every right the same as American’s, British, French etc for self determination as one unit regardless of religion although an Ireland that is built on Christian foundations which Catholic’s and Protestant’s share anyway
 
Of course I was being sarcastic and glib. I bet you that if the English Scots and Welsh were to vote on withdrawing from N.I, the Crown would withdraw a.s.a.p. Nobody wants a divided Ireland, I bet you.

IMHO, Paddy nails the answer right here:

Now your just being silly. First off many of the Father’s of Irish Republicanism were protestant’s and the color’s in the Irish National Flag of the Orange and Green is obvious of the unity of a NEW EIRE. Not resorting back to the old one but a new one in which the Irish people as they have every right the same as American’s, British, French etc for self determination as one unit regardless of religion although an Ireland that is built on Christian foundations which Catholic’s and Protestant’s share anyway

What you cannot do is blame people for looking askance at continued sectarian hostility and questioning the motives of the operatives and enablers.
Why not develope Paddys above sentiment, build bridges, heal the wounds and vote out the Crown through Stormont, thereby making Stormont redundant.
The answer has to be with the people themselves to agree to do this and do it, surely.
It could take 100 years or 10, But my whole stance has been that the continued violence will not unite but rather divide.

I will be (perhaps naievly) drinking to this:

“a NEW EIRE. Not resorting back to the old”
and
“built on Christian foundations which Catholic’s and Protestant’s share anyway”

And a toast to your Irish ancestors who fought for the crown in ww1, my Irish ancestor who was in India 1876 13th hussars and Irish Grandfather ww2 R.A.F. (I am English ), and thier comrades.

Last post.
 
Paddy1989 said:
Thank You, i’m glad those in the US haven’t been duped by the Pro Brit propaganda which flood’s every TV screen and mainstream newspaper
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I wish that were true but sadly that isn’t the case. Being a proud member of the Irish people, albeit watered down some by a couple generations of american life, I noticed a fairly enraging stance the u.s. has taken (officially anyways). When americans fought the british for a unified free state, separate from the british, they were “freedom fighters”. But the IRA, PIRA, CIRA, etc are labelled by america as “terrorists”. This was ironically enough when I was still in the army here in the states and was actively speaking with a member of the CIRA via the internet who welcomed me amongst their ranks lol. I made no illusion of wanting to fight however since my faith turned me into a pacifist (and happily so).

I just thought it was hypocritical for the american government to take such a stance. I did enjoy having bragging rights for awhile announcing to my unit that I was both a soldier and a terrorist at the same time lol
 
SaintPatrick333 said:
I wish that were true but sadly that isn’t the case. Being a proud member of the Irish people, albeit watered down some by a couple generations of american life, I noticed a fairly enraging stance the u.s. has taken (officially anyways). When americans fought the british for a unified free state, separate from the british, they were “freedom fighters”. But the IRA, PIRA, CIRA, etc are labelled by america as “terrorists”. This was ironically enough when I was still in the army here in the states and was** actively speaking with a member of the CIRA via the internet** who welcomed me amongst their ranks lol. I made no illusion of wanting to fight however since my faith turned me into a pacifist (and happily so).

I just thought it was hypocritical for the american government to take such a stance. I did enjoy having bragging rights for awhile announcing to my unit that I was both a soldier and a terrorist at the same time lol
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To be honest i highly doubt that the person claiming to be a member of the CIRA actually was or else he would probably be in prison now. The oppression here against Republican’s is immense, for example Republican’s can no longer hold March’s or Protest’s anymore and can be arrested for such a thing. Even claiming you support the IRA can end you up in prison here. Republican’s and their families are constantly harassed and MI5/PSNI attempt’s to force men and women to spy on Republican’s by threatening them with financial ruin or framed for some criminal activity which would put them in prison. As for American’s now thinking this about the IRA currently, this is sad new’s. Why is nothing said about Britain’s oppressive measure’s used here? America supported the IRA morally, financially and with equipment for so many year’s
 
AdTheBad1 said:
Of course I was being sarcastic and glib. I bet you that if the English Scots and Welsh were to vote on withdrawing from N.I, the Crown would withdraw a.s.a.p. Nobody wants a divided Ireland, I bet you.
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Hm, I suppose it rather depends on whether the Republic’s finances are up to policing the area?
 
It’s odd that when the United Irishmen rose in rebellion against the British in 1798 many, if not most, of them were Presbyterians. In fact at their first meeting all those present were Protestants.

And, of course, their leader (who committed suicide in prison because the Britiish were going to hang him instead of execute him by firing squad, which he thought more honourable) was Wolfe Tone - a Protestant. In those times Protestants as well as Catholics thought of themselves as Irishmen, not British.

How things change.
 
I agree. But when the call for the rebellion came it was mainly Ulstermen and, I think, men from Cork who answered the call. The remainder mainly did not respond.

The question which follows from your last point is what is the difference between Southern Protestants and those in the North? I suspect those from the South have English ancestry and arrived as ‘natural’ immigrants or as part of the Landowning class, while those in the North are from Scotland and arrived in the Plantation.
 
It is only a guess, but I think the British don’t really have a ‘paradigm’ these days and wouldn’t object to fully united Ireland. Their problem is that such a paradigm exists, definitely, in the mind of the N.I. protestants who fly more Union Flags in one street than you’d see in a whole region of the UK.

Which is all a bit ironic as they are mainly of Scots descent and the Scots are talking about gaining independence from the U.K. !??!
 
As somebody who grew up with what seemed like daily “Last night, another soldier . . .” reports on the morning news, this does seem rather critical.

Like most places with long-running terrorist/freedom fighter experience, there’s been something of a melding of idealist forces with opportunities for the grand old tradition of good old fashioned criminality to get involved under the cover of ‘struggle’ on both sides, which adds up to a potential policing nightmare when the UK (hopefully) decides to dump the whole problem on the Republic.
 
One of my best friends is a Catholic and lives in Belfast. He grew up during the Troubles and heard all kinds of stories of the past too. There are areas in town he doesn’t go to often or not at all. I remember a few years ago when he first invited me to visit, I was hesitant as in the USA we were painted a picture of Belfast in the media being worse than some inner cities in America with the fighting & stuff. He said things had changed and that he would not take me any place in the city that were not safe. He kept his word, and most of the city is safe now. I’ve since been back several times.

I would love to see an united Ireland. But, I do read there are some who wish for it not to happen. I am lucky enough that I can live in an area where people of various religious background coexist without issues unlike many in Northern Ireland who cannot even go to certain neighborhoods to live because they are not of a certain religious background.
 
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