Two Colo. lawmakers recalled over gun control support

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Robert_Sock said:
In the case of gun control, yes. The pending war in Syria is not favorable in the eyes of the public, but I see nobody trying to recall Obama.
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Because there is no provision for popular recall of the President. Remember, the states elect him, not the people directly.

RS, you and I are probably on the same page on the one issue of guns, however, it seems to me that this recall outcome is EXACTLY what should happen when elected officials fail to represent the citizens .

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Suudy said:
Ah…elitism at its finest.
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Yeah, its great when its on your side, until you become an ‘enemy of the revolution’ or the ‘correct’ way of thinking. Then it’s not so hot.
 
Calling a democratic, legally sanctioned recall “disgusting” is a bit hyperbolic, no?

You may think our culture of violence is disgusting, and I agree, even if we disagree on what measures to take. But a recall is hardly disgusting.
 
Robert_Sock said:
It’s not just mass killings that dismays me, but the fact that gun owners are far more likely to use their gun to take their own life, or for a loved one to commit suicide, than they are to use their gun to actually protect their life.

hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/
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Yes, less guns will stop the mentally unstable and depressed from taking their life, assuming we also get rid of rope.
Deus_tecum said:
The page you provided a url to reference your statement does not do so. It does not even allude to it.
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You weren’t supposed to click it!
 
GEddie said:
Because there is no provision for popular recall of the President. Remember, the states elect him, not the people directly.

RS, you and I are probably on the same page on the one issue of guns, however, it seems to me that this recall outcome is EXACTLY what should happen when elected officials fail to represent the citizens .

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Geddie, thanks for your comments. You and I probably on more towards opposite positions on gun laws.

But this is what I wish could have happened in CA over the Prop 8 legal contest. The people voted it in, a judge over-ruled it, the Attorney General is specifically required to defend the laws of the state whether passed by the legislature or via proposition. SCOTUS ended up saying the folks appealing Prop 8 being overturned had no standing, only the AG could appeal it, it was their duty.

Since the AG didn’t, the people - the electorate-- have no where to turn to even get a fair hearing on their passed proposition’s legality.

We’ll never know if the AG would have won on Prop 8 because he (then she) chose not to do their job. I’ve read a few commentaries about what a dangerous precedent this sets. AGs now can allow their partisan bias to counter the will of the people.

And in CA, where its been so jury rigged to favor one party (and folks vote for their party like a sports team vice paid employees) no way to hold the AG accountable.
 
Julian_Bashir said:
Yes, less guns will stop the mentally unstable and depressed from taking their life, assuming we also get rid of rope.

You weren’t supposed to click it!
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… and knives, tall buildings, bridges, poisons, cars, plastic bags, trains, various medicines…
 
Robert_Sock said:
“Gun suicide is a bigger killer than gun homicide.”

slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
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I am not understanding what your point is here. In the U.S. the choice of those who commit suicide is a gun. However, that does not mean that if they did not have access to a gun that they wouldn’t kill themselves. In other countries, like England the preferred way is by hanging and in Germany and Sweden they do it by throwing themselves in front of trains. If a person is determined to end their life they will find away. So again I don’t understand your point.
 
Considering how many people are killed by leftist/totalitarian governments, it pales in comparison to the number of people that die by guns owned by private individuals.
 
adrift said:
I am not understanding what your point is here. In the U.S. the choice of those who commit suicide is a gun. However, that does not mean that if they did not have access to a gun that they wouldn’t kill themselves. In other countries, like England the preferred way is by hanging and in Germany and Sweden they do it by throwing themselves in front of trains. If a person is determined to end their life they will find away. So again I don’t understand your point.
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No wonder the trains in Germany and Sweden never run on time…:rotfl:
 
zz912 said:
Considering how many people are killed by leftist/totalitarian governments, it pales in comparison to the number of people that die by guns owned by private individuals.
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I think you got that reversed. Reread it.

In any case, the thread is not about armed citizens fighting tyranny, but about the democratic process and a recall vote. While I for one am conflicted about the “armed society,” I’d say it is about time for citizens to make their voices heard again.

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GEddie said:
I think you got that reversed. Reread it.

In any case, the thread is not about armed citizens fighting tyranny, but about the democratic process and a recall vote. While I for one am conflicted about the “armed society,” I’d say it is about time for citizens to make their voices heard again.

ICXC NIKA
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Colorado legislators are not known for their doing the will of the people.
 
GEddie said:
I think you got that reversed. Reread it.

In any case, the thread is not about armed citizens fighting tyranny, but about the democratic process and a recall vote. While I for one am conflicted about the “armed society,” I’d say it is about time for citizens to make their voices heard again.

ICXC NIKA
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Agreed. SCOTUS has left open whether gay marriage is a states right issue or a federal issue.

So, if the citizens in a district don’t support gay marriage, yet their representative votes for it- I think it’s legitimate to recall them.

If you oppose the citizens of Colorado recalling representatives for failing to abide by their will, then logically that extends to other things like gay marriage. If we start condemning recalls, then what we’re saying is the people don’t have a right to hold their representatives accountable. IMHO
 
Peebo said:
No wonder the trains in Germany and Sweden never run on time…:rotfl:
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It is sad. They have that problem in SoCal. I know some folks who started commuting on the train. While not a frequent thing, they’ve had the trains stopped by suicides more than they had imagined occurred.
 
styrgwillidar said:
… and knives, tall buildings, bridges, poisons, cars, plastic bags, trains, various medicines…
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Forks. spoons, alcohol!!

as far as stricter gun laws goes Robert, maybe u should do a lil research and see who has the strictest laws n the country! then see which state leads the way in murders per number of population!!

and just because u do NOT own a gun or guns, doesn’t mean u should be willing to forfiet my 2nd amendment!! thats like lettin an athiest the right to do away with YOUR right to Freedom of Religion! :mad:
 
GEddie said:
I think you got that reversed. Reread it.

In any case, the thread is not about armed citizens fighting tyranny, but about the democratic process and a recall vote. While I for one am conflicted about the “armed society,” I’d say it is about time for citizens to make their voices heard again.

ICXC NIKA
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Oops, you are right, meant it the other way. thanks,
 
Maybe someone can supply some stats…but I would suspect that most gun murders would be gang or drug related…or a combination of both…in which case they would get guns even if there was a total ban on firearms.
 
Peebo said:
Maybe someone can supply some stats…but I would suspect that most gun murders would be gang or drug related…or a combination of both…in which case they would get guns even if there was a total ban on firearms.
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you are correct!! 😉

but lets unarm the law abiding citizens so the people can feel all warm and fuzzy about criminals bein the only armed people!
 
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