Two Colo. lawmakers recalled over gun control support

[styrgwillidar]

They need to pass a strict background check law, a limit on magazine capacity and a law on guns needing to be stored in a gun safe, at the national level so that the laws are uniform country-wide.

And if the majority of the people in the US don’t want those laws-- should the government over-ride the will of the people?

If so, why have elections if you believe the politicians should do whatever they desire vice abiding by the will of the people?

 

[chadair]

They need to pass a strict background check law, a limit on magazine capacity and a law on guns needing to be stored in a gun safe, at the national level so that the laws are uniform country-wide.

wow

u have yet to say who those laws will affect. and how those laws will stop that criminals! and U talk about blindly following the NRA!!

 

[GEddie]

State-level laws are ultimately useless in curbing gun violence, as long as travel from state to state remains unimpeded. Would you erect customs checks at all the state borders to prevent someone from bringing in a weapon of whatever kind?

If so, this would be another example of everybody losing freedom to protect a specific interest. That is NOT what America is about.

I have no sympathy at all for the gun subculture, any more than I do for pot smokers. But I would not want to see everybody lose freedom just because of an interest I personally do not share. And IMNAAHO, that should be the concern of all citizens.

ICXC NIKA

 

[YADA]

Regardless of what you, I, Robert, Bloomberg, the NRA, or anybody else thinks of the law, or the facts and figures re the gun control debate doesn’t address the point of the article.

Why is it a bad thing that the folks in Colorado held their representatives accountable for ignoring the constituents opinions and refusing to listen to them?

I never said that was a bad thing … it is absolutely a great thing … we should hold our government accountable …

What if the majority of Colorado constituents had wanted this? What if the recall failed?.. That would not be a good thing … hence the urge - the necessity - to educate people …

Gun Control does not make us a safer nation -

You cannot legislate morality … that requires changing hearts and minds - one could argue bringing the majority of this nation back to a focus on our Lord and the God of Creation will lessen crime

 

[YADA]

They need to pass a strict background check law, a limit on magazine capacity and a law on guns needing to be stored in a gun safe, at the national level so that the laws are uniform country-wide.

And how does this prevent crime in America?

Is the felon going to voluntarily get a background check and keep his firearm in a safe?

If your home protection is locked in a safe - how safe are you when the bad guys break in?

Who would come to America’s aid - arming a citizen uprising - to over turn a tyrannical government? [as we are - around the world today]

Why do you want to give control of your life to the government? If the Second Amendment falls - how secure will you be in your right to freely practice your faith?

 

[styrgwillidar]

I never said that was a bad thing … it is absolutely a great thing … we should hold our government accountable …

What if the majority of Colorado constituents had wanted this? What if the recall failed?.. That would not be a good thing … hence the urge - the necessity - to educate people …

Gun Control does not make us a safer nation -

You cannot legislate morality … that requires changing hearts and minds - one could argue bringing the majority of this nation back to a focus on our Lord and the God of Creation will lessen crime

No, you didn’t say the recall was a bad thing. However, Robert keeps making statements re gun control without addressing the core issue of the politicians going against the will of the people, not listening.

In fact, in an NPR interview after being recalled, Morse continued to demonstrate his arrogance by falsely claiming 80% of the people supported the law. Something he can’t possibly knows since he refused to listen to public comment. And he again states in the interview he isn’t listening to the folks who opposed the law. Still. He still believes that he isn’t a public servant when he’s elected, he’s a ruler, master, benign overlord.

So, you and I can discuss gun laws, the constitutional basis and their merits-- but I would like Robert to address why he thinks politicians shouldn’t be held accountable.

Because if they can disregard the people (or the constitution) in one area, then that extends to others as well. It is a very dangerous precedent and attitude to have regarding our politicians- our paid employees.

 

[styrgwillidar]

…

If the Second Amendment falls - how secure will you be in your right to freely practice your faith?

I would put it as, if you believe politicians should do ‘what they think is in the people’s interest’ regardless of

1. What the people actually want
2. In violation of the rights specified in our core government documents

Then none of our rights are secure, none of our freedoms safe, because you are willing for the government to restrict/eliminate/reduce given their definition of ‘what’s in the people’s best interest.’

As an aside, the notion of a document’s meaning changing over time I find incredibly baffling. Especially one that enumerates rights and limitations. Would you be content with a bank being able to ‘reinterpret’ a contract over time-- well, sure it says 4% interest, but times change…

 

[NeuroTypical]

They need to pass a strict background check law, a limit on magazine capacity and a law on guns needing to be stored in a gun safe, at the national level so that the laws are uniform country-wide.

Well, regardless of how well your radical redesign of American culture would work or not, Colorado just showed the world what happens when politicians try to do what you propose. Good luck finding a politician willing to push forward your agenda.

(Emphasis on Colorado - it wasn’t the NRA, it wasn’t out of state interests, it was me, my neighbors, co-workers, sheriffs, citizens.)

 

[RACJ]

:extrahappy::harp:

 

[Deus_tecum]

And how does this prevent crime in America?

Is the felon going to voluntarily get a background check and keep his firearm in a safe?

If your home protection is locked in a safe - how safe are you when the bad guys break in?

Who would come to America’s aid - arming a citizen uprising - to over turn a tyrannical government? [as we are - around the world today]

Why do you want to give control of your life to the government? If the Second Amendment falls - how secure will you be in your right to freely practice your faith?

In my experience, Sock ignores these types of questions.

 

[SummitJim]

Yes, gun-free zones have been so effective, maybe we need to introduce mugging-free zones, robbery-free zones, and maybe even domestic violence-free zones.

 

[SamH]

They need to pass a strict background check law, a limit on magazine capacity and a law on guns needing to be stored in a gun safe, at the national level so that the laws are uniform country-wide.

So what will be the benefit from passing laws like that?

 

[_Abyssinia]

New recall effort targets democratic Colorado Senator Evie Hudak for her support of gun-control laws

 

[NeuroTypical]

Giggle

Good. I’m not sure it will work though. Westminster might be more of an uphill battle than Colorado Springs and Pueblo was.

Hudak sent 7NEWS this comment about the recall effort:

“It appears a small group is seeking to undo the will of voters, who re-elected me to the Senate last November. Unable to defeat me then, they are now attempting a political power grab using a low voter turnout, no mail ballot recall election strategy. The perpetual recall of legislators that we are now seeing is an obstacle to governing and addressing the needs of Coloradans, especially those impacted by devastating floods. The approval of a recall petition will not change my focus on the 2014 legislative session, during which I will advocate for women and seniors, and for the best education we can provide our children – just as I have always done.”

Yeah, that worked so well for Morse and Girion. Their focus was on running for their own seats, and they lost.

No really - if you pass idiotic legislation that violates the constitution, doesn’t do anything good, and makes life harder for law abiding folk, all in the name of ‘leadership’, you should expect people to try to kick you out of office.

I hope they get enough signatures.