Two Hardcore Videoed EWTN Homilies on How to Dress/Act for Mass

  • Thread starter Thread starter Duesenberg
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
alice24 said:
a amazonas tribe where women only wear…
Click to expand...
And? How big is the tribe? What are their views on the 6th and 9th commandment? Because those commandments are objective, human physiology is objective. That tribe’s cultural norms and ours are not.
 
This makes it look like you’re desperate for something – anything – to support your argument, which is increasingly unclear to me. Are you arguing a woman should be able to expose her breast at Mass if she pleases?
 
Boler said:
This makes it look like you’re desperate for something – anything – to support your argument, which is increasingly unclear to me. Are you arguing a woman should be able to expose her breast at Mass if she pleases?
Click to expand...
Would it be wrong to breastfeed during Mass? I have been to countries where women breastfeed whenever and wherever and there is nothing scandalous about it. Is there anything about a Church that makes it anymore inappropriate than a park or a restaurant?
 
Answer my question and I will answer yours. Are you arguing a woman should be able to expose her breast at Mass if she pleases? Why or why not?
 
The ones who look desperate – are the ones who want to “share” the blame for the sin of lust-- keeping themselves bound/enslaved/chained to the sin.
 
If a baby needs to eat a mother may expose her breast. It is not exhibitionism or immodest if the baby will not eat with a blanket on his face or if he pulls away and she is exposed. The alternative may be a baby screaming all through mass.
 
Boler said:
Answer my question and I will answer yours. Are you arguing a woman should be able to expose her breast at Mass if she pleases? Why or why not?
Click to expand...
I don’t think a woman should be able to expose her breast for any reason, but to feed her child I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 
So long as she is reasonably discreet, then we are not in disagreement. Now, what does that have to do with modest dress as addressed by the priests in these homilies?
 
All I’m saying is – we should pray for/co-operate with God’s Grace —all of us (priests and laity) to cleanse ourselves spiritually – to see Christ in our neighbor.
** So it is extremely important for every priest to know how to maintain discipline over his thoughts and his imagination. For one can also sin alone, in thought: by looking at another person with desire, by treating that other person as an object, the sin of fornication is committed in the depths of the heart. If an attitude of this sort dominates the heart, it will also manifest itself outside. On the other hand, if we are clean within, no external situation can provoke somatic reactions against our will.Sexual excitement depends, in the first place, on the intentions with which we approach our neighbour, how we look at him or her and what we see there. The priest is obliged to see the very Christ in his neighbour; the aim of any encounter can only be to bring that person nearer to God.**

Lust tends to subordinate others to our will, subjugating them and humiliating them by treating them as objects. A father’s love, however, offers itself, asking nothing in return. But to attain to this, one must teach the body self-control. Chastity is, therefore, a constant effort to subject the body entirely to the aspirations of the soul. Each human being’s body is always subject to a spirit: either to the Holy Spirit, or to the spirit ‘of this world’.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
I think we ought to let the pastors deal with it and not go on a personal crusade against our neighbor. Much of the time, I think it lessens charity for our neighbor because we tend to take on a judgmental attitude to a greater or lesser extent.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. -Jesus
 
So long as she is reasonably discreet, then we are not in disagreement. Now, what does that have to do with modest dress as addressed by the priests in these homilies?
Click to expand...
This makes it look like – a mother nursing her baby – is somehow dirty/ and indecent act. And why it’s happened — that nursing mothers – have been told to go and nurse in restrooms and/or other places.
 
Last edited:
After reading some of the comments here, maybe the optimal solution would be to separate the men and women into different services. That way there would be no occasions of lust. There would still be people committing the sin of pride (I am dressed better than so and so) and envy (why can’t I have such nice clothes) along with the legalism that Jesus often preached against.
 
This is the full quote: There is nothing un-Catholic in this quote.
All I’m saying is – we should pray for/co-operate with God’s Grace–all of us (priests and laity) to cleanse ourselves spiritually – to see Christ in our neighbor.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
You said – so long as she is reasonably discreet. This still leads to the act of a mother nursing her baby – as something to be hidden. As something not agreeable.
Boler said:
So long as she is reasonably discreet, then we are not in disagreement. Now, what does that have to do with modest dress as addressed by the priests in these homilies?
Click to expand...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top