Two Hardcore Videoed EWTN Homilies on How to Dress/Act for Mass

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??? The ellipses represent the full quote. And I said we’re in agreement then.
 
Walking_Home said:
This still leads to the act of a mother nursing her baby – as something to be hidden. As something not agreeable.
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No. It means it’s something intimate and dignified, of which onlookers are not worthy. Your response demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of what modesty is. I’m the only one who has quoted the Catechism on the topic and keeps referring back to it. Everything I’ve said unfolds from it.
 
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Breastfeeding a baby is a clean/wholesome act. The true purpose for breasts. Onlookers need to see the act of breastfeeding for what it is – clean/wholesome.

Now --certain acts – should not be for onlookers. Sex – that is an intimate --and dignified act within marriage.
Even – outside of marriage --sex should not be for public viewing.
 
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sallybutler said:
After reading some of the comments here, maybe the optimal solution would be to separate the men and women into different services. That way there would be no occasions of lust. There would still be people committing the sin of pride (I am dressed better than so and so) and envy (why can’t I have such nice clothes) along with the legalism that Jesus often preached against.
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When I was a child visiting West Germany, women sat on one side of the church and men on the other.
 
Boler said:
Did you read my first post in this thread? Or any of them? Funny how we can discuss all of the following “before having discussed the term modesty”:

“What about women breastfeeding?”

“What about women used to not show their ankles?”

“What about men in suits are sexy?”

“What about the cultural norms?”

“What about the availability of clothing?”
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Well, yes. If we are going to discuss what modesty is and isn’t, we have to discuss all of those things.
 
Duesenberg said:
That’s rather sad…
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She said, “I don´t care if a man is attracted by a clothing style of mine I won´t consider immodest.”

So, our modesty standard is that if a man is even just attracted, a woman is being immodest? How is one supposed to meet one’s future husband if one isn’t allowed to attract him?
 
Duesenberg said:
Some people seem to have no idea about how to dress appropriately for different settings.
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And some people feel it is okay to project and force their views of ‘appropriateness’ on others. Pretty sad
 
godisgood77 said:
And some people feel it is okay to project and force their views of ‘appropriateness’ on others. Pretty sad
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Talk about “projecting”, you’re doing that exact thing right here.
 
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Cannot believe some of the comments here basically defending immodesty.

As Catholics, don’t we want to learn from and be like the Saints?

Our Lady is most pure, most chaste, inviolate, undefiled, most amiable, most admirable, most prudent, most venerable, most renowned, most powerful, most merciful, most faithful…isn’t this what we want for ourselves? To be like Her? I know we will never be as holy and pure like our Lady…but shouldn’t we strive even just a little?
 
We should strive to emulate our Lady – in purity of heart/mind/and soul. We should pray for/co-operate with God’s Grace —all of us (priests and laity) to cleanse ourselves spiritually – to see Christ in our neighbor.
 
Look, all I’m saying is – we should pray for/co-operate with God’s Grace —all of us (priests and laity) to cleanse ourselves spiritually – to see Christ in our neighbor.
 
I’m glad you’ve taught your sons well. To respect women regardless of who they are/what they’re wearing. That is a very good and just thing. But Father was talking to Catholics attending Mass and dressing immodestly. Christians, specifically Catholics are to be set apart from the world. We are not to look like the world and Father had every right, no, he has the obligation to teach Catholics on faith AND morals.
 
Best way to set us apart from the world – actually praying for/ co-operating with God’s Grace to see Christ in our neighbor.
 
No, I think the best way to set us apart from the world – actually loving God and neighbor.
 
Loving God – means praying to Him-- for His Grace to purify us – so we can love/see Christ in our neighbor.
 
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Again, no one is saying being attractive is immodest. For the umpteeth time, listen to the homily and how the priest says “your stuff shouldn’t be hanging out.” This probably doesn’t apply to you. It’s not about you. Don’t take it personally.

And what she said was, “I don´t care if a man is attracted by a clothing style of mine I won´t consider immodest. Sadly, this type of men tends to act their dislaike oot in constant annoying comments up to sexual violence” which is just nonsensical to me so I can’t comment.
 
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Look, all I’m saying is we should love God and allow him to work in us and make us more Christ-like.
 
This thread is remarkably illuminating. It makes me think that there are at least two other reasons why some bristle so strongly at any talk of dressing appropriately for Mass, dressing modestly in general as Catholic Christians, and the need for dress codes/uniforms for those involved in liturgical ministries.

I think some react so strongly because they view it as an attack on women, as an attack on their “sisterhood.” They view the male hierarchy of the Church as trying to regain control of something that is clearly out of control in many parishes – how to act and how to properly dress for the Mass.

Those that hold this view don’t seem to care how much immodest/inappropriate garb offends others, or the damage it can do (e.g. scandal, facilitation of sin, etc.) within the Church. They are quite happy with the apathy and the sorry state of things (in this context) today. So long as the male hierarchy is not controlling them when it comes to clothing! A perfect example of the cancerous fruits of sexism/radical feminism in the form of fighting over appropriate garb and personal conduct.

I think another reason is that down deep, some people are deeply ashamed (and carry great guilt) based on how they personally dress/act at Mass. Any criticism, no matter how general in nature is viewed as a personal attack on them and is met with overwhelming defensiveness.

I could never understand the crazy overreaction by some when the topic of how to behave at Mass or what to wear at Mass came up. I now have better insight due to this thread.
 
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