You make an excellent point if bible steve would just break free from his inability to reason things out. Isaiah 1:18
The 144,000 describes in symbolic language the totality of Christ’s Church - as has been explained to you in this thread by me and others. And the great multitude also describes the same - or at least portion thereof. Both descriptions are of the saved who are with God forever in eternity in His Kingdom.
This may come of as harsh, but I think it needs to be said. You have provided evidence of blatant twistings and distortions of the Scirpture and each has indeed been answered irrefutably. Of course I don’t think you are doing this intentionally, so to speak, I think you have been deceived.
Careful now…he clearly shows he’s interested in truth, but not the true revealed truth…
They only quote from their distorted “New World Translation” and they definitely adhere to the heresy that Jesus Christ is not God. Minus the words “distorted” and “heresy”, Bible Steve will give you the same answer. What Bible Steve won’t answer is where and how the canon of the New Testament of Scripture was determined. THe JW’s took the Catholic Book, totally distorted it and then preach how we are from satan. Well, by golly, how is it that Bible Steve would use a satan founded Bible??? I really don’t think that CT Russell, who in fact didn’t even know that he was JW since that didn’t come about until after his death, maintained Sacred Scripture for the first 1800 years prior to their organization’s beginning. Who did?? The Catholic Church.
I don’t want to take my time to learn about JW’s, what they are, what they stand for, their “show up at my door during the WORK DAY” and try and shove a magazine in my hand.
That is correct. But they still believe and accept Jesus, but he’s not God. Kind of like Islam. Jesus was there, did stuff, but he wasn’t God, no no. According to the watchtower, He was created by God, and was originally Michael the Arc Angel, until he was directed by god to assume a human form. Then he was spiritually resurrected and the remains of Jesus were assumed back into the earth. Read it from reliable sources:
This is from the official JW site…
DustinsDad,
Very good question. There is a 13 page discussion about this issue in the book: tinyurl.com/3cvu3u
DustinsDad I think you may be mistaken about who biblesteve is I checked some of his previous posts and found a person who is well versed in the JW methodology of trapping the unwary. In his opinion Biblesteve is indeed a JW looking to snare those who are unknowledgeable.
I believe your right again, it is natural law that makes us seek the truth but not everybody can accept “the Truth Jesus” for various reasons. What the Jw’s are seeking is “a” truth. Thirty years ago I was confronted by the JW doctrine and truth was the first subject. The second subject was the “a” they put in the Gospel of John to deny the nature of God The Son. Bible Steve (aka) BS appears to enjoy the company of Roman Catholics and thats good, I hope a little bit of rational thinking will rub off on him. Jw’s are to be pitied and prayed for and ignored if they are rude. I just wish BS would answer my question. How ill JW’s be fed and housed in the earth they intend to inherit after all the unbelievers are whisked off and annialated. “Splendor of Truth” for you steve BS. Read it and make some challenges on the basis of what you read in it rather than them tired old watchtower dogmas. vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_06081993_veritatis-splendor_en.html
Your probably right. It is a waste of time unless you are confronted with close family members choosing to be JW’s. Then you have to watch your children as they will have their children whispering disturbing heretical things in your innocent children’s ears. I allowed my homeless Jw brother and his family to temporarily move in with my family about 25 years ago. His children came back from their biweekly watchtower meetings and pinched, whispered and tormented. It was a sad thing to experience. Their innocence is torn out of them.I don’t want to take my time to learn about JW’s, what they are, what they stand for, their “show up at my door during the WORK DAY” and try and shove a magazine in my hand.
JW’s are not one of the truth, you took a Martin Luther bible and changed words around to fit what you believe, which is false and I will not even try to learn or understand what a false religion is about I know what the truth is and it is in the Holy Roman Catholic Church! Oh, BTW, how many protestant religions are there? Over 40,000!!! JW’s being one of them, are they ALL right?
Please place me on your DO NOT VISIT list
You have not responded to the first two emails - the foundational ones that should have started our discussion. That’s ok. I figured you would get to them sooner or later - would you like me to send them again? And thanks for the emails so far. And as you point out, I have been responding to each of your replies, I think there’s just four or five to go.
Steve - I can be more patient and delicate with you in private email discussions because I feel that over time, I (with the Holy Spirit) can get you to see certain points and actually address certain issues, and I feel I’ll gain a deeper insight into the workings and teachings of the JW organization. Keep in mind that I do note what portions of my emails are responded to and what are not. It is telling. I’m cool with that and I want to keep our private discussion going.
Steve, once again, please. Humor us. Answer the following questions. These aren’t too tricky, they are pretty basic and simple. Please answer these questions:
That’s why I’m insisting he more directly and specifically answer questions on this public board…because the unwary and unknowledgeable might be browsing through.