Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

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queenofheartscv said:
If that’s the case, women should either speak up right away (not 3 weeks before election), make a scene to protect themselves and get witnesses, or take self defense lessons to kick the guy in the you-know-what, or all the above.
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Women are speaking up 3 weeks before an election because a tape was released of Trump describing his behavior and then he explicitly denied that he behaved like that.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Not enough for a criminal indictment.
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I don’t think anyone is claiming there’s enough evidence for a criminal indictment. There’s certainly enough evidence that his numerous sexual assaults disqualify him as a candidate for president. American voters agree.
 
queenofheartscv said:
TRump has witnesses including person sitting across from seat.
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I read that account of the person “sitting across from seat”. Actually he was sitting across the aisle. I doubt he could see everything that might be going on. His declaration that Trump did nothing improper is not dependable. Also his account of the “flirting” going on may very well have been his misinterpretation of the Leeds trying to “normalize” the situation. I recommend you get a book on the subject before assuming that it is easy for an outsider to be sure when there is victimization going on.
 
YADA said:
Yes … I had a similar post earlier today

Yes - the Republican Party wants to promote family values and be pro-Life … and some of its members fail - as I responded to RandomUser … - because some people are not perfect does not mean the entire organization or is goals are unimportant.

And we - as Catholics - should know that better than anyone - because if that is true then
our Church was once all about sharing the Gospel and living the Beatitudes but people should write it off into the dust bin of history and never pay it any mind … The Church has no ounce of validity any longer because we had the Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal , thus No More does the Catholic Church represent the Gospel Values of Jesus. There is no difference between the Catholic Church and the Secular Society

Think about that - because that is just what you are implying when you would hold the Republicans accountable for failure while giving a pass to the Democrats whose standard is what? Anything goes and abortion is a good … I mean - its so much harder to fail living up to a standard when there is no standard identified …

That’s what people find so irritating … We have laws - but if you don’t obey them - you are not held accountable … like Bill Clinton - he tried to get people to lie under oath - that is perjury … its against the law - he was sanctioned but not prosecuted … Hillary sends emails that are classified over an insecure illegal server and is not prosecuted - but a Navy Seaman took a picture with his cell phone on a sub and was prosecuted … If I set up an illegal server and sent government emails - I would be prosecuted. I have to take a security training every year on proper use of the government documents … Hillary and her staff - no?

Enter the country illegally and you are not an illegal alien - you are undocumented … want the immigration laws enforced and you are a racist … why do we have laws if they are not enforced? …
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Yes, the tactics of the Dens are nauseating!
 
queenofheartscv said:
If this happened to my daughter, she would have told me about it and I would have taken up her cause, even if she didn’t straight away tell the teacher. If you decided to wait till 30 years later to talk about it, dnot blame people for not taking you seriously.
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How long after an alleged assault would your daughter have to wait before you considered her report a lie?
 
lmachine said:
I don’t think anyone is claiming there’s enough evidence for a criminal indictment. There’s certainly enough evidence that his numerous sexual assaults disqualify him as a candidate for president. American voters agree.
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It didn’t matter one iota when Gennifer Flowers stepped forward. And with the timing of these women, it certainly shouldn’t matter now…

Plus, haven’t most of them been debunked already? And, which “American voters”? Hillary’s camp? There’s no surprise there.
 
CRATUS said:
that is odd.
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Whats odd … that Catholics voted for the man who vetoed the Ban on Partial Birth Abortion - or that they re-elected him so he could veto the Ban a second time :confused:

Or that Catholics voted many times a man who was a responsible for a woman’s death …
 
YADA said:
Yes … I had a similar post earlier today

Yes - the Republican Party wants to promote family values and be pro-Life … and some of its members fail - as I responded to RandomUser … - because some people are not perfect does not mean the entire organization or is goals are unimportant.

And we - as Catholics - should know that better than anyone - because if that is true then
our Church was once all about sharing the Gospel and living the Beatitudes but people should write it off into the dust bin of history and never pay it any mind … The Church has no ounce of validity any longer because we had the Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal , thus No More does the Catholic Church represent the Gospel Values of Jesus. There is no difference between the Catholic Church and the Secular Society

Think about that - because that is just what you are implying when you would hold the Republicans accountable for failure while giving a pass to the Democrats whose standard is what? Anything goes and abortion is a good … I mean - its so much harder to fail living up to a standard when there is no standard identified …

That’s what people find so irritating … We have laws - but if you don’t obey them - you are not held accountable … like Bill Clinton - he tried to get people to lie under oath - that is perjury … its against the law - he was sanctioned but not prosecuted … Hillary sends emails that are classified over an insecure illegal server and is not prosecuted - but a Navy Seaman took a picture with his cell phone on a sub and was prosecuted … If I set up an illegal server and sent government emails - I would be prosecuted. I have to take a security training every year on proper use of the government documents … Hillary and her staff - no?

Enter the country illegally and you are not an illegal alien - you are undocumented … want the immigration laws enforced and you are a racist … why do we have laws if they are not enforced? …
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Yes, Democrats tactics are nauseating!
 
lmachine said:
How long after an alleged assault would your daughter have to wait before you considered her report a lie?
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If my daughter waited a week to tell me, I would have been upset that she told me so late. If it’s my children, the most important thing is to make sure they know to get someone’s attention right away–that’s the only thing people can do to ensure maximum action and safety. I talk to my child every day, trying to find out what happened in school. If something bothers them, I try to find out as much as I can. I want to know right away, not months later. If my child doesn’t tell me till months later, it’s either not that traumatizing, or we have a serious relationship problem.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Did you believe that the Duke Lacrosse Team was guilty?
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Sorry I didn’t hear about that. Don’t keep up with sports.

But if there was potential sexual harassment, yeah I’d hope they’d investigate further.

Trump might possibly be innocent of these said crimes, but it certainly must be thoroughly investigated. Same with Clinton charges, they should also be thoroughly investigated if there are new ones (which might well be the case who knows.)
LeafByNiggle said:
Irrelevant. If you want to discuss the Duke team, you can start a new thread on that topic.
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Yeah this! 👍
 
queenofheartscv said:
If my daughter waited a week to tell me, I would have been upset that she told me so late. If it’s my children, the most important thing is to make sure they know to get someone’s attention right away–that’s the only thing people can do to ensure maximum action and safety. I talk to my child every day, trying to find out what happened in school. If something bothers them, I try to find out as much as I can. I want to know right away, not months later. If my child doesn’t tell me till months later, it’s either not that traumatizing, or we have a serious relationship problem.
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These statements reflect a need for *much *greater education on the subject of sexual assault and how victims respond to it.
 
gracepoole said:
These statements reflect a need for *much *greater education on the subject of sexual assault and how victims respond to it.
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I’m not talking about how people respond to abuse. I’m talking about how I’d like my children to respond to it.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
If you consider “debunked” to mean Trump absolutely denies their claims, then I guess they have been “debunked”. But most people take that word to mean that something has been proven false to the satisfaction of all
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Proven false to the satisfaction of all is an impossible standard to meet. There are people accusing Trump and people stating what they saw or what they know of the accuser. Each onlooker (us) consider the evidence and makes up his or her mind.

Debunking is when some evidence comes up or vital evidence is not there such that a reasonable person could conclude the the original assertion is false.
 
gracepoole said:
These statements reflect a need for *much *greater education on the subject of sexual assault and how victims respond to it.
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queenofheartscv said:
I’m not talking about how people respond to abuse. I’m talking about how I’d like my children to respond to it.
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How you might like a victim to respond and how he or she might actually respond are two different things – and the difference is exceptionally important. You’ve stated that you would be “upset” with your daughter if she waited even a week to tell you she’d been victimized. You’ve stated that if your child doesn’t tell you for months, either she hasn’t been traumatized or you must have a relationship problem. All of these statements demonstrate a need for heightened education about how victims respond to being assaulted. And I’d gently suggest that focusing on how you think she should respond rather than how trauma might affect her responses won’t be particularly helpful to her as a victim.
 
queenofheartscv said:
TRump has witnesses including person sitting across from seat, the accusers cousin, his butler, other beauty contestants in the room. Apparently they don’t count at all to you.
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I believe these are the ones your referring too.

Jessica Leeds accused Trump of inappropriate touching on a plane. Anthony Gilberthorpe says he was sitting across from her and says it that didn’t happen.

Summer Zervos alleged that Trump began kissing her on the mouth very aggressively, placing his hand on her breast. Her cousin says that’s false.

Natasha Stoynoff claim was denied by Trump’s butler.

1997 beauty pageant contestant but other contestants disagree.
 
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