U.S. bishops’ relief agency gives $5.3 million to major contraception-providing charity

[MHichborn]

Of course I have, that is why after I first read the LifeSiteNews article I immediately contacted CRS whom I give a monthly donation to. But I believe it is important to listen to both sides of this issue. There is also such a thing as “character assasination” - destroying the good name of another and that goes for destroying the good name of organizations as well. And I think that websites like LifeSiteNews and Church Militant TV need to be careful when they give this kind of news that they do not do more harm than good in reporting it.

This is an excellent analysis of CRS’ defense of its membership in MEDiCAM:

redstate.com/svkenney/2012/08/20/un-catholic-spending-scandal-deepens-at-catholic-relief-services/

The bottom line is that CRS is contradicting itself.

 

[zab]

This is an excellent analysis of CRS’ defense of its membership in MEDiCAM:

redstate.com/svkenney/2012/08/20/un-catholic-spending-scandal-deepens-at-catholic-relief-services/

The bottom line is that CRS is contradicting itself.

I’m interested in hearing the analysis of the Pontifical Council “Cor Unum” that oversees the Catholic Church’s charitable activies.

 

[MHichborn]

I’m interested in hearing the analysis of the Pontifical Council “Cor Unum” that oversees the Catholic Church’s charitable activies.

Regardless of Cor Unum’s potential analysis of the situation, it cannot be denied that CRS:

A) Deflected the claims against it by presenting false, alternate claims, and

B) CRS is contradicting itself when it admits to paying dues to abortion-expanding MEDiCAM, but also claims that it never gives money to such things.

 

[zab]

Regardless of Cor Unum’s potential analysis of the situation, it cannot be denied that CRS:

A) Deflected the claims against it by presenting false, alternate claims, and

B) CRS is contradicting itself when it admits to paying dues to abortion-expanding MEDiCAM, but also claims that it never gives money to such things.

Regardless or Cor Unum’s potential analysis…??? I would rather trust the analysis of Cor Unum over the opinions and analysis of internet bloggers and discussion board members.

 

[MHichborn]

Regardless or Cor Unum’s potential analysis…??? I would rather trust the analysis of Cor Unum over the opinions and analysis of internet bloggers and discussion board members.

I said, “Regardless or Cor Unum’s potential analysis …” because 1) We don’t know if Cor Unum will even address this, and 2) even without their analysis, we can draw logical conclusions based upon CRS’ own statements. Can you deny that:

A) CRS admitted that it is a dues-paying member of MEDiCAM?

B) CRS’ dues-money funds an organization that is expanding access to abortions in Cambodia?

C) CRS deflected the TRUE concerns raised by those who pointed out CRS’ membership in MEDiCAM by claiming that CRS “was criticized for its membership in MEDiCAM because of the risk of scandal”?

D) In light of the above, CRS is stating falsehoods by claiming, “We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control”?

I invite you to explain to me how any of these points is not something we can logically conclude from the facts as they have been presented.

 

[zab]

I said, “Regardless or Cor Unum’s potential analysis …” because 1) We don’t know if Cor Unum will even address this, and 2) even without their analysis, we can draw logical conclusions based upon CRS’ own statements. Can you deny that:

A) CRS admitted that it is a dues-paying member of MEDiCAM?

B) CRS’ dues-money funds an organization that is expanding access to abortions in Cambodia?

C) CRS deflected the TRUE concerns raised by those who pointed out CRS’ membership in MEDiCAM by claiming that CRS “was criticized for its membership in MEDiCAM because of the risk of scandal”?

D) In light of the above, CRS is stating falsehoods by claiming, “We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control”?

I invite you to explain to me how any of these points is not something we can logically conclude from the facts as they have been presented.

Not all of your points are facts. Where did you get your quote from your point D) ? That is not what is stated in the mission statement nor the “Catholic Values of CRS”
crs.org/about/mission-statement/

 

[iloveangels]

You guys are twisting yourselves into total knots and none of that is necessary. This is all very, very simple:

Donate locally. Donate simply. Know where your donations go. Don’t be a sucker.

 

[MHichborn]

Not all of your points are facts. Where did you get your quote from your point D) ? That is not what is stated in the mission statement nor the “Catholic Values of CRS”
crs.org/about/mission-statement/

newswire.crs.org/crs-disputes-lifesitenews-article

“We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control.”

Just put this in a Cntrl + f page search. You’ll see it.

 

[iloveangels]

newswire.crs.org/crs-disputes-lifesitenews-article

“We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control.”

Just put this in a Cntrl + f page search. You’ll see it.

Just because they say that doesn’t mean squat in this day and age. People play money games and assume that normal people on the street don’t comprehend that MONEY IS FUNGIBLE.

But a growing number of the smarter people do. It’s a fact. MONEY IS FUNGIBLE.

If you don’t know what that means, get a definition.

 

[iloveangels]

Definition: fun·gi·ble
   [fuhn-juh-buhl] Show IPA
adjective Law .
(especially of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.

Which means, for example:
Suppose I’m one of these big charity outfits that takes peoples’ donations.

I have a budget A, with funds X, Y and Z which go to pay for different things and I also have operating expenses P.

Joe Street gives me donation B.

I assure Joe that his donation B won’t be used for fund X which he thinks is immoral. I tell him it’s going in operating expenses P.

I put donation B into operating expenses P and document that fact. Then take out the same amount as donation B from the operating expenses P and put it into fund X.

There. Joe’s donation didn’t go into fund X. AND I have documentation if anybody asks.
Goods are not fungible. They’re not fluid like cash. They can be individually tracked and are not interchangeable in this way. Give goods, not cash, checks or credit.

I’d rather not get into an explicit discussion of who’s doing this and who’s not for obvious reasons. But it happens all the time and it’s happening now. This is a BIG, BIG business and a lot of times, it’s a political dodge game too.

Like I said: Give locally. Give simply. Know where every penny, item or hour of your donation goes. Don’t be a sucker. There are a lot of good, local, worthwhile things to do that people need.

 

[iloveangels]

Definition: fun·gi·ble
   [fuhn-juh-buhl]
adjective Law .
being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.

Which means, for example:
Suppose I’m one of these big charity outfits that takes peoples’ donations.

I have a budget A, with funds X, Y and Z which go to pay for different things and I also have operating expenses P.

Joe Street gives me donation B.

I assure Joe that his donation B won’t be used for fund X which he thinks is immoral. I tell him it’s going in operating expenses P.

I put donation B into operating expenses P and document that fact. Then take out the same amount as donation B from the operating expenses P and put it into fund X.

There. Joe’s donation didn’t go into fund X. AND I have documentation if anybody asks.
Goods are not fungible. They’re not fluid like cash. They can be individually tracked and are not interchangeable in this way. Give goods, not cash, checks or credit.

I’d rather not get into an explicit discussion of who’s doing this and who’s not for obvious reasons. But it happens all the time and it’s happening now. This is a BIG, BIG business and a lot of times, it’s a political dodge game too.

Like I said: Give locally. Give simply. Know where every penny, item or hour of your donation goes. Don’t be a sucker. There are a lot of good, local, worthwhile things to do that people need.

 

[zab]

Definition: fun·gi·ble
   [fuhn-juh-buhl] Show IPA
adjective Law .
(especially of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.

Which means, for example:
Suppose I’m one of these big charity outfits that takes peoples’ donations.

• I have a budget A, with funds X, Y and Z which go to pay for different things and I also have operating expenses P.
• Joe Street gives me donation B.
• I assure Joe that his donation B won’t be used for fund X which he thinks is immoral. I tell him it’s going in operating expenses P.
• I put donation B into operating expenses P and document that fact. Then take out the same amount as donation B from the operating expenses P and put it into fund X.
• There. Joe’s donation didn’t go into fund X. AND I have documentation if anybody asks.

Goods are not fungible. They’re not fluid like cash. They can be individually tracked and are not interchangeable in this way. Give goods, not cash, checks or credit.

I’d rather not get into an explicit discussion of who’s doing this and who’s not for obvious reasons. But it happens all the time and it’s happening now. This is a BIG, BIG business and a lot of times, it’s a political dodge game too.

Like I said: Give locally. Give simply. Know where every penny, item or hour of your donation goes. Don’t be a sucker. There are a lot of good, local, worthwhile things to do that people need.

You need a bigger rope to keep twisting those knots

 

[iloveangels]

You need a bigger rope to keep twisting those knots

No knots, zab.

It’s just an example of the kind of creative accounting that goes on these days in these non-profits.

Next word to look up in google for a definition: gullibility