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Confiteor_Deo
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How peculiar. Thank you for the information.
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U.S. Catholic-Muslim dialogue launched, Chicago Archbishop Cupich to co-chair
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Bill_Martin
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Good answer. In the same way, we could both know the same guy, but have very different conceptions about what kind of guy he is. One of us could even be completely wrong, but we still know the same person. I know I certainly am perceived differently by the people I meet in passing versus my very close friend, yet I am not a different person to each.Lumen Gentium which quoted above is magisterial teaching, being a dogmatic constitution from Vatican II. However, if it makes you feel better, consider that part of the difficulty comes from the limitations imposed on us by language. “Same” is an vague adjective. There is no doubt that multiple Gods do not run the world. Even St. Paul equated the Greek worship of the “unknown god”, which was clearly pagan to the monotheistic God of Christianity. If one recognizes one Creator God, then that descriptions only fits one being. Yet in another way, the God of Islam is not the same in that He is seen as much difference. From God’s perspective, He is the same. From the perspective of the worship, there are considerable differences.
Another comparison is looking at three perspectives of God which are drastically different. The God of Abraham is the same God we worship today, though there is a huge gap as to how Abraham understood God, and we understand him. For a third perspective, think of how terribly little we know of God now “through a glass darkly” compared to what we will know of God in the beatific vision. We may well look back and think we did not know what we were doing as it seems the worship is so different. Yet it will still be the same God.
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808Catholic
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If it’s in the CCC, it’s Catholic doctrine.Is it part of the Magisterium? I didn’t think that this was a definite teaching of the Church that was binding upon Catholics. It seems strange that the Church would demand that we believe in something like this.
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808Catholic
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But would you agree helping other who are in opposition can also be evil? Say, someone wants you to distribute pamphlets in your church speaking against your church? Would you “help” them?I agree with you, but sometimes we seem to get our priorities wrong. If the greatest commandment was to go out and evangelise. then I think the church would be doing a good job. But the greatest commandments are to love God and our neighbours, which is shovelling snow or caring for their pets.
Like the Good Samaritan; I think helping others who seem to be in opposition to us; is very powerful.
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Confiteor_Deo
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As far as I know, not everything in the catechism has to be believed by Catholics.If it’s in the CCC, it’s Catholic doctrine.
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808Catholic
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That may be your personal belief but I will call to your attention, for your consideration, not all Catholics believe abortion is wrong or that a 1 hour fast is NOT required prior to receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ Jesus. The CCC is the key to catechesis within the Catholic Church; if it is not correct, we cannot teach the catechism. I suggest you speak with your priest on this matter.As far as I know, not everything in the catechism has to be believed by Catholics.
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pnewton
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This depends on what you mean by “has to”. We are allowed to depart from the norm of Catholic doctrine for the sake of conscience with some narrow restrictions. St. John Paul stated when promulgating the catechism.As far as I know, not everything in the catechism has to be believed by Catholics.
I would hope that those who do not agree with the current matter, that of Muslims, will at least develop some sympathy for, and solidarity with, those that are often called “cafeteria Catholics” who have issues with other areas of Catholic teaching. None of us are perfect and we are all pilgrims in a strange land.The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved 25 June last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium.** I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion**
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Eric_Hyom
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Not if it is done in the spirit of the Good Samaritan, you help other people, in the hope that some good might happen.But would you agree helping other who are in opposition can also be evil?
I am not sure why you would even ask such a question.Say, someone wants you to distribute pamphlets in your church speaking against your church? Would you “help” them?
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Eric_Hyom
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There might be a billion Muslims in the world, we can’t change that many, they are not going away, it would just make sense to try and live in peace with them.
Then there are a few million atheists, Hindu, Sikh etc, we can’t change many of them, it would just make sense to strive to love them all as they are.
Then there are a few million atheists, Hindu, Sikh etc, we can’t change many of them, it would just make sense to strive to love them all as they are.
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808Catholic
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It may seem like an extreme hypothetical but it points out “helping” should be preceded by discernment. How will my action help? How does my action glorify God?Not if it is done in the spirit of the Good Samaritan, you help other people, in the hope that some good might happen.
I am not sure why you would even ask such a question.
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Eric_Hyom
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Not if it is done in the spirit of the Good Samaritan, you help other people, in the hope that some good might happen.Originally Posted by **Eric Hyom **
It may seem like an extreme hypothetical but it points out “helping” should be preceded by discernment. How will my action help? How does my action glorify God?
If you see someone in need, you don’t ask them first if they are a Catholic or a Muslim. The parable of the Good Samaritan goes beyond division.
I personally agree that it is good to dialogue with our Muslim brothers and sisters, we need to make this world a kinder place to live in. bridges need to be built.
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Confiteor_Deo
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The catechism didn’t add any weight to the teachings contained therein that they did not already hold prior to the catechism’s publication. Not everything in the catechism is dogma.That may be your personal belief but I will call to your attention, for your consideration, not all Catholics believe abortion is wrong or that a 1 hour fast is NOT required prior to receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ Jesus. The CCC is the key to catechesis within the Catholic Church; if it is not correct, we cannot teach the catechism. I suggest you speak with your priest on this matter.
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worldcitizen
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Beautifully put! Let’s love all humanity regardless of race, nationality, religion, class or culture and see all mankind as our brothers and sisters created in the image of God.There might be a billion Muslims in the world, we can’t change that many, they are not going away, it would just make sense to try and live in peace with them.
Then there are a few million atheists, Hindu, Sikh etc, we can’t change many of them, it would just make sense to strive to love them all as they are.
Who cares about differences let’s just get along with each other and enjoy the rich diversity of food and culture each brings to the table and leave politics and religion behind as its a matter between us and God.
I’m like you. Aetheists or homosexuals or Buddhist, Muslims , Hindus theyre all human beings and I love them all. I want to be world embracing and inclusive instead of closed off and exclusive. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
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