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Can someone help me make sense of this? I thought schools, or maybe I should say ‘colleges’ were already licensed? Or ‘accredited’? Whats the difference? What will this mean?

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=209589
President Obama’s Department of Education, where Secretary Arne Duncan appointed a longtime homosexual activist who was part of the sometimes-violent Act Up organization to head his “safe schools” office, now is proposing to force colleges and universities to submit to a political agenda, according to critics.
Under the proposed federal rule change, institutions of higher education “would be required to have a document of state approval … to operate an educational program, including programs leading to a degree or certificate,” explained an analysis by Shapri D. LoMaglio for the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities.
“I think it is the greatest threat to academic freedom in our lifetime,” former Sen. Bill Armstrong, now president of Colorado Christian University, told WND. “But only if you love liberty.”
 
Maybe it’s like a sticker, the Obama ‘seal of approval’… This college has hereby been dubbed as ‘progressive enough’ 🤷 idk…
 
Maybe it’s like a sticker, the Obama ‘seal of approval’… This college has hereby been dubbed as ‘progressive enough’ 🤷 idk…
It could also be to get rid of “diploma mills.” “A college degree in one month! A Master’s Degree in two!”

Degrees in “Life Skills” and “Practical Living” from East Bank of the Mississippi University.
 
We still have hope! We still have the First Amendment! Our Catholic Colleges may have to fight the man, but maybe then, through the scourge, we’d end up with a Catholic higher education system that is actually Catholic!
 
It could also be to get rid of “diploma mills.” “A college degree in one month! A Master’s Degree in two!”

Degrees in “Life Skills” and “Practical Living” from East Bank of the Mississippi University.
Are you saying the University of Mississippi is a diploma mill?
 
the first sentence of this story is so filled with venom, that it is not a real journalistic story. what kind of nonsense is being furthered?
 
the first sentence of this story is so filled with venom, that it is not a real journalistic story. what kind of nonsense is being furthered?
oh wow I apologize…It appeared to be a real story to me, with a link to the document about the ‘seal’ and everything…really its way too long for me to read or understand so that’s why I brought it up…are you saying it isn’t true then?? I’m sorry I’m not trying to lie or slander or anything :confused:
 
Are you saying the University of Mississippi is a diploma mill?
I am suggesting that East Bank of the Mississippi University might be such. 😃

But, forget everything. The tone of the article, as has been pointed out, is so venomous that it has to be other than real news reporting.
 
What was so venemous about it?

Just skimmed it, looks like they are just trying to throw up a potential warning flag that Obama would like to implement some sort of fairness doctrine type agenda on the education system.

I think you are reading correctly into what they are trying to point out, this may be a progressive seal of approval. Offer these classes and you can operate your education system.
 
First off the title of this thread isn’t the same as the article linked to. The title of the linke to article is “Eye-popping power grab.” That doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence that this is going to be a straight-reported piece.

As others have pointed out the first line is quite questionable. It says:
President Obama’s Department of Education, where Secretary Arne Duncan appointed a longtime homosexual activist who was part of the sometimes-violent Act Up organization to head his “safe schools” office, now is proposing to force colleges and universities to submit to a political agenda, according to critics.
By describing Act Up as “sometimes-violent” it could lead one to associate Arne Duncan with that violence. Of course the article makes no specific reference to any violence nor does it imply that Duncan is violent, but the descriptor is a throwaway line that adds nothing and only detracts. The article also does not mention that Duncan could be quite qualified to head whatever group he’s been chosen to lead. Maybe he’s also an educator or has had years and years of experience as an adminstrator in educational institutions. Of course none of that matters only that he’s an activist and belongs to Act UP.

Then the rest of the article is just a bunch of quotes from people known to be opposed to the bill telling us why it’s bad and what they claim the bill says. But, even then they aren’t entirely sure what’s being proposed and they admit it, too.
“Although details are sketchy…”
There are some comments that go by unchallenged, left to stand out there as if they are fact.
Accreditation, now established by relatively independent educational councils, already is a life-or-death rating that requires institutions to meet high educational standards.
Not every institution that purports to be higher educational is accredited and among accreditation organizations not every one carries the same weight. Some accreditation groups are more prestigious and more thorough in their evaluations, others are not. Perhaps what the DOE is trying to do is pick up where the normal accreditation procedures fails.
They pointed out that all colleges already are licensed by one or many states and are subject to state fraud and consumer-protection laws.
It’s only been recently that Attorney Generals in different states have started to go after some of those trade schools that predominantly advertise on TV promising what sounds like too-hard-to-believe salaries and what not. Perhaps the DOE is trying to toughen the regulation of groups like that other diploma mills that promise certificates and degrees for little more than a donation.

So, no this isn’t really a news article if you think both sides should be represented fairly. It’s a one sided piece, where the people opposed tell you why they’re opposed and that opinion is allowed to color the rest of the piece. This could be a horrible proposal, but not enough information is given to allow us to make up our minds.

ChadS
 
the first sentence of this story is so filled with venom, that it is not a real journalistic story. what kind of nonsense is being furthered?
Its from WND. Venom is all they have over there. Its not a good place to get your news.
 
the first sentence of this story is so filled with venom, that it is not a real journalistic story. what kind of nonsense is being furthered?
It’s from WorldNet Daily, a source proven to be non-credible on several previous occasions.
 
Its from WND. Venom is all they have over there. Its not a good place to get your news.
Even when they chance to get their facts straight, they always editorialize them to their particular agenda, most of which are topics that we can’t “discuss” (and with good reason) on this Forum.
 
Can someone help me make sense of this? I thought schools, or maybe I should say ‘colleges’ were already licensed? Or ‘accredited’? Whats the difference? What will this mean?

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=209589
colleges must already pass a number of tests, unconstitutional ones but that is by the way, to received federal funding of any kind, including participation by their students in federally administered financial aid and loan programs. same old same old.
 
Its from WND. Venom is all they have over there. Its not a good place to get your news.
Ok so what is a good place to get my news? I’m sorry but its all very frustrating.

We got the left, saying don’t listen or watch Fox…

We got the right, saying don’t listen or watch ANYTHING else…

True the guy that wrote the article may have used questionable wording, but that ASIDE- what is he talking about? Is it true? What is this seal, and why would a school need it.

Can someone please?? Skip the ‘spin’ and just tell me the facts?

And if CAF would like to post a list of ‘acceptable news sources’ it might make my life a whole lot easier you know. People like me don’t know who in the media is working for whom…so…IDK whatever…I come here because you guys are way intelligent and I’m hoping you can help me sift through the mess- but just sweeping an article under the rug because of the way its presented doesn’t do me no good- Is it true?
 
Ok so what is a good place to get my news? I’m sorry but its all very frustrating.
If you get your news from TV (I don’t as I don’t own a TV) then watch both Fox and the other networks and decide for yourself. All of them get the facts straight; it’s the twist on them that makes the difference, but I think the news readers are pretty much giving it to you straight. It’s the pundits that editorialize.

I’d, however, advise reading the newspapers, which go into much more depth than TV can. I read daily - The New York Times (liberal), Wall Street Journal (conservative) and my local Arkansas Democrat-Gazette (leans conservative). Any one of them provides more depth than any TV news show can. That might be too costly for some, but if your local paper is any good, it can be augmented by the other two. Or read the Washington Post (liberal) or the Washington Times (conservative) for augmentation.
 
If you get your news from TV (I don’t as I don’t own a TV) then watch both Fox and the other networks and decide for yourself. All of them get the facts straight; it’s the twist on them that makes the difference, but I think the news readers are pretty much giving it to you straight. It’s the pundits that editorialize.

I’d, however, advise reading the newspapers, which go into much more depth than TV can. I read daily - The New York Times (liberal), Wall Street Journal (conservative) and my local Arkansas Democrat-Gazette (leans conservative). Any one of them provides more depth than any TV news show can. That might be too costly for some, but if your local paper is any good, it can be augmented by the other two. Or read the Washington Post (liberal) or the Washington Times (conservative) for augmentation.
I agree with this strategy, although I strongly prefer the Wall Street Journal over the Washington Times as a conservative paper. I think the Washington Times was never great and has declined of late. But even if one only has the inclination to go to one source, I would go to any of the above over WND, or any of the other highly slanted internet-only outfits.
 
I agree with this strategy, although I strongly prefer the Wall Street Journal over the Washington Times as a conservative paper. I think the Washington Times was never great and has declined of late. But even if one only has the inclination to go to one source, I would go to any of the above over WND, or any of the other highly slanted internet-only outfits.
I agree. The WSJ is a superior paper. As for WND, it is more than slanted; it has a one-track agenda!
 
Not every institution that purports to be higher educational is accredited and among accreditation organizations not every one carries the same weight. Some accreditation groups are more prestigious and more thorough in their evaluations, others are not. Perhaps what the DOE is trying to do is pick up where the normal accreditation procedures fails.
But it is very easy to find out if a school is accredited. I just did a quick search on my alma mater (Googled “washington state university accreditation”), and the second link:

accreditation.wsu.edu/

And each of the colleges at WSU have their own accreditation pages.

The issue isn’t determining the accreditation (or lack of), but the difficulty in comparing the different groups offering accreditation. Perhaps the DoE should focus on licensing accrediting institutions, rather than evaluating schools. But even then, I don’t like the idea of “licensed” accreditors. Rather, the DoE could put out a list of minimum standards, then say which accrediting institutions meet those standards. Then potential students (and employers validating graduates) can better evaluate those different institutions.
It’s only been recently that Attorney Generals in different states have started to go after some of those trade schools that predominantly advertise on TV promising what sounds like too-hard-to-believe salaries and what not. Perhaps the DOE is trying to toughen the regulation of groups like that other diploma mills that promise certificates and degrees for little more than a donation.
Go after them for what? Offering an education (albeit a poor one)? I agree that if an institution is making promises that are too good to be true should be punished for false advertising, I’m not so sure they are guilty of anything actionable by the DoE. Again, diploma mills are very likely not accredited, and when people are planning to fork over money for a piece of paper, they should be aware of that. If the DoE is to be involved, it should be at this stage, not outlawing institutions that may offer some legitimate training.
 
I am suggesting that East Bank of the Mississippi University might be such. 😃

But, forget everything. The tone of the article, as has been pointed out, is so venomous that it has to be other than real news reporting.
You’re talking about the University of Minnesota and not Ole Miss. Got ya!
 
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