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Neil_Anthony
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What a great Christian idea. All I could think of was yell at them or grab the ashes from them.
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LDNCatholic
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Violence or anger is not going to help in this situation, and would only serve to further their cause to portray the Church as oppressive.
Personally I don’t mind getting dusty if it means His Holiness doesn’t have to face those people.
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Neil_Anthony
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You’re completely right. I hope my last post didn’t come across as sarcasm…
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LDNCatholic
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Nah no worries mate
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cyberwolf001
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I respect there right to protest. This IS America.
I do not however agree with the way there going to do this… Chants, signs, whistles… Fine.
Picket near or outside the church where the Mass happens… fine.
Ashes, blocking a right of way, disrupting a worship service…
NOT OKAY!
I do not however agree with the way there going to do this… Chants, signs, whistles… Fine.
Picket near or outside the church where the Mass happens… fine.
Ashes, blocking a right of way, disrupting a worship service…
NOT OKAY!
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Dale_M
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I am not sure I am able. I don’t support the proposed actions, and consider them highly rude and unacceptable, but I am not sure that any law-breaking will occur.Dale_M:
If they block the Pope’s right-of-way; throw ashes at him; disrupt the Mass; drown out his speech; lewd behavior; and much more.
Could you add to the list, please?
I suppose it is possible that some might try to block the Pope’s path, although is that a crime? Certainly resisting police who came to remove them from the road would be, though.
The whistles might drown out his speech, and might disrupt the outdoor mass. But are these crimes? Again, resisting the police who might intervene would certainly be.
The ashes, as I understand, would be thrown at his car while others are throwing confetti. I am not sure this is crime, either.
The lewd behavior… I am not sure why you think this would occur.
I haven’t paid much attention to the RSM before, but I think their protest of the Pope will turn out to be similar to Move On’s General Be-Tray Us ad. It won’t advance their goals, and it will hurt their organization.
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revelations
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Dale_M said it the best. The Pope is a big boy, I am sure he will handle this absolutely wonderfully. How’s the best way to handle these people? I do believe our lord said it the best:
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If they thirst, give them a drink, if they hunger give them food. Turn the other cheek and in doing so heap burning coals upon their heads.
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Frankly, I don’t understand what all the protest and fuss is all about. Homosexuals, lesbians, and transgendered people are all called to the same things that heterosexual people are: CHASTITY until marriage. And even in marriage, the act has to remain pure. There is no need for special outreach, or special treatment. They are taking advantage of the Pope’s visit to try and further the lie that there truly is discrimination against homosexuals in the catholic church.
There is no discrimination in the church, I’ve yet to experience or hear of any. We are all sinners, and as such we all need to repent. No one sinner is dirtier than the next, we are all capable of the same things.
Prayer, love for one another, and following the teachings of our Lord are the right way to go.
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If they thirst, give them a drink, if they hunger give them food. Turn the other cheek and in doing so heap burning coals upon their heads.
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Frankly, I don’t understand what all the protest and fuss is all about. Homosexuals, lesbians, and transgendered people are all called to the same things that heterosexual people are: CHASTITY until marriage. And even in marriage, the act has to remain pure. There is no need for special outreach, or special treatment. They are taking advantage of the Pope’s visit to try and further the lie that there truly is discrimination against homosexuals in the catholic church.
There is no discrimination in the church, I’ve yet to experience or hear of any. We are all sinners, and as such we all need to repent. No one sinner is dirtier than the next, we are all capable of the same things.
Prayer, love for one another, and following the teachings of our Lord are the right way to go.
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Lepanto
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Not that they care, but physically assaulting a pope causes latae sententia (automatic) excommunication.
My internet connection is too slow to look up the canon number, but it’s in there.
My internet connection is too slow to look up the canon number, but it’s in there.
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Protestant101
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Most Protestants would never do such a useless thing. Anyone who does do this, is way short of being any kind of Christian. They may say they are Protestant; but that doesn’t mean they actually are.
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nsper7
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I think it is shameful that a group (especially a group calling itself ‘Catholic’) would try to shower the Pope with ashes. It strikes me as immature and ineffective. I would hope that if I were there that I would be one of those that would block the ash-throwers, even if it meant getting ‘dusty’ and getting yelled/cursed/jeered at.
I hope the Roman Catholic Church and His Holiness stand strong against these LGBT fascists (I say fascists because they seem perfectly willing to, despite being in the clear minorty, usurp secular and religious authority to achieve their goals regardless of the cost to the overall society and the Universal Church [by this, I mean all of Christianity, not just the RCC]).
Parts of Anglicanism, especially my home province/primacy: the US Episcopal Church, has failed to stand up to these types (even going so far as to allow an open and unrepentant homsexually-active man who left his wife for a male partner to become a bishop) and it is wrecking havoc for the Anglican Communion and the US Episcopal Church.
Pehaps if the Roman Catholic Church, the elder brother of Anglicanism, will stand strong on this issue the younger brother will stop listening to the gang out in the alley.
I hope the Roman Catholic Church and His Holiness stand strong against these LGBT fascists (I say fascists because they seem perfectly willing to, despite being in the clear minorty, usurp secular and religious authority to achieve their goals regardless of the cost to the overall society and the Universal Church [by this, I mean all of Christianity, not just the RCC]).
Parts of Anglicanism, especially my home province/primacy: the US Episcopal Church, has failed to stand up to these types (even going so far as to allow an open and unrepentant homsexually-active man who left his wife for a male partner to become a bishop) and it is wrecking havoc for the Anglican Communion and the US Episcopal Church.
Pehaps if the Roman Catholic Church, the elder brother of Anglicanism, will stand strong on this issue the younger brother will stop listening to the gang out in the alley.
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rpp
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If only three of these people actually show up, in a crowd of a million or more, and even if they never do anything, the mainstream news media will ensure that at least one-third of the time and space dedicated to reporting on the Holy Father’s visit will be given to these attention wh… er, um, seekers.
And the coverage will be complete with background, personal interviews, personal profiles, complete with a walk in Central Park or a table at Starbuck’s, and talks with their either “supportive” or “repressive” families. In fact, it would not surprise me if filming has already started.
And the coverage will be complete with background, personal interviews, personal profiles, complete with a walk in Central Park or a table at Starbuck’s, and talks with their either “supportive” or “repressive” families. In fact, it would not surprise me if filming has already started.
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LutheranDK
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They are planning an attack on a head of state! - and a member of the Christian clergy!
I know of no protestant who would do this!
Just because someone protests against the Roman church, does not make him/her a protestant. Adherence to protestant teachings do.
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childofmary1143
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Well a physical assault would be nearly impossible as the Secret Service, I would think, would be in charge. If one of them got near the Pope they would be tackled and assaulted, if not shot on the spot.
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st_julie
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The protest I suppose is to have sexual sins removed from the sin list. Some will include abortion as a sexual sin.
What is obviously not understood is that the Pope wont declare these sins as no longer sins but in actual fact he can’t change it.
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CathCentrist
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If the Popesmobile should be showered with ashes it should be for him getting Bush to grant him immunity from being forced to come forward and testify in his role of priest sex abuse cover-up.
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Bennie_P
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The blowing of whistle could be considered a crime, if it drowns out the the Popes right to freely speak. this not a protest but acts of facist behavoir, that is actions not speech. They are trying to shut down, drown out thier “opponent’s” voice. It is time for us to call this particular type of “protesters” what they really are, nothing more then facist thugs. As to lewd behavoir remember the protest at St Patrick’s when the so called activist tried to blame aids on Church teaching? not personal choices? We should expect nothing but the worst of these facist. Of course we cannot be sure they will break the law, but thier past actions should bring on twinge of expectation of evil goings on, since they are protesting against the idea that thier sexual behavior may be immoral, what do you think?
http://www.actupny.org/documents/stopchurch.JPG
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE5D81E3DF937A1575AC0A966958260
Of course we can believe they have nothing put love in thier hearts as they throw ashes at our Shepard. Pray for them…
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davy39
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For one thing, these people are Catholic in name only, if even that. They should be kept far enough away from him, so that their little plan will not work. It’s just another protest to further their agenda. By the way, the other day on the msm, I heard the phrase “gay americans” used twice during a newscast. I have never heard this term used before. Evidently, they have been given the status of a minority group by the msm. If so, this is not a good sign. Did anybody else hear this?
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thseng
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I’d really love to hear them try to justify that statement!
The Pope has been vilified by these same activists because he has been so outspoken in SUPPORT of equal rights for ALL people.
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Dale_M
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Certainly they have been regarded as a minority group by liberals since the era of Gay Liberation in the 1970s. I suppose it is not surprising that this has become the norm over the past 30 years.
As for the phrase “gay Americans”, it is an interesting phrase. Saying “gay American” seems redundant if the phrase is not in a foreign news source.
I briefly looked at the first two pages of Google News results for that phrase and the only times I saw it is used was in gay blogs or newspapers, when an advocate for gay rights was being quoted, or when an advocate for gay rights had written an op-ed piece.
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Dale_M
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Thseng, I don’t understand this comment. Are you saying that the Rainbow Sash Movement has criticized the Pope for supporting equal rights? For whom have they opposed equal rights?
My apology if I have misunderstood you. Its still early.
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