UFOs, Aliens & ETs

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This topic reminds me of the medieval theories about the southern hemisphere. They actually did realize that the world was round, but wasn’t sure whether or not the southern part was livable or what kind of inhabitants’ it had. In the end, the right answers became apparent with the great discoveries (we now realize that the hemisphere is inhabitable and populated by humans). I would say a similar situation applies to aliens, in that we do not have enough information to give an adequate answer. However I can easily come up with four possible scenarios that are in line with Church teachings.
  1. Aliens don’t exist.
  2. Aliens exist, yet are very different from humans. As such, they don’t really fit into the human history of salvation. This scenario could include aliens as completely fallen creatures (more like demons), aliens as none fallen creatures (more like angels), or aliens as fallen yet different creatures (thus needing a different kind of relationship with God).
  3. Aliens do not only exist, they are also very close to humanity and tied in with the human story of salvation. The Church will have to send out intergalactic missionaries, and we might get to experience Klingon Franciscans :D.
  4. The universe is populated by many very different alien species, thus enabling some form of combination between 2 and 3.
If we ever get contacted (or make contact) with aliens, I am sure The Church will hold a major counsel (or the pope will make a statement) and decide how to approach our newly discovered neighbors. Much in the same way as it did in the past, when it came to the conclusion that Native Americans are in fact human. However until that happens, first contact that is, the Church will stay quiet on the subject of aliens.
 
Before I reverted to the faith I use to watch shows on aliens and put a lot of stock into them. When I got my pilots licence I started doubting these objects. You can see for so far in the sky when you’re up there at night, if there was anything bright at all it would be clear as days from far far away. Any of these bright UFOs seen at night by people on the ground would 99% been seen at night by some pilot. As for the shows I can tell you they defiantly misinform and leave important facts out. One of the shows on cable was talking about a hidden UFO at write Patterson Air force base that the government is keeping. The story was something like this. An old man was there for an air show or some other reason that I can’t remember and happen to stumble into this hanger with a UFO in it. The guards see him and tell him he can’t be in there and send him on his away. Right there I knew the show and the story was GARBAGE. If you even so much as step foot in a controlled area around planes that are not secrete or that modern, you will STILL eat pavement as the police tackle you and point an M-16 to your head. In the case of an UFO, there is no way they wouldn’t have tackled him and took him into questioning. Now another show my wife had on, I think it was on NBC, was talking about UFOs and stuff and mentioned a story about a town right near where I’m living now. They went on and on about this stupid UFO yet failed to mention that there are not one but TWO military bases within 40 miles from it. No mention is made if the base towers saw it or if the military did anything. No mention at all of anything military. Your left thinking this story is conclusive when there are about 1000 explanations that would probably explain it. Please don’t put much stock into these shows, people who make them usually have an agenda to make money or to prove UFOs are real, so your not going to see much that disproves them.
 
I can’t generalize about people who make statements about Wright Patterson Air Force Base. But it’s a huge facility that has a lot of buildings crowded together, and the immense Air Force Museum, near Dayton, Ohio [actually, Fairborne]. Parts of it are almost urban … and very large numbers of people walking around, driving around, and riding around on their bus routes, all the time. Thousands or tens of thousands of people work there and commute in and out every day. People socialize at local drinking establishments. It would be close to impossible to keep anything secret there.

The key thing is that since the advent of those picture cell phones, there have been fewer and fewer UFO sightings … it’s just much more difficult to fake a UFO sighting.

A few years ago, there was a photo in a magazine of a “UFO” … a few years after that the very same “UFO” mysteriously showed up at Wright Patterson AFB … at the museum … it was the “flying chicklet”. [Maybe someone on this thread could find a picture of it and post it here.]

There are a lot of experimental airplanes that have minimal wings and funny shapes. And there are a lot of “model airplanes” … RC … [remote control, not Roman Catholic] that are quite large. There is the Boeing “flying wing” that is serving as a test airplane [a model] for a future cargo plane … currently flying right now and it (the model) is extremely large.
 
Thanks for the posts.

If aliens are prooved to exist, the Book of Genesis will be very loosely interpreted.
 
edwest2 said:
First of all, the Catholic Church has no problem with alien life.

Second, there is no evidence that the solid, metallic craft that have been seen are from other worlds. All accounts point to man-made devices.

Peace,
Ed
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Seriously though, there are of course UFO’s many of these have been shown to be aircraft of different kinds or of some other human design. What there is not one shread of evidence for is that any of them are extra-terrestrial.

Aliens are science fiction built upon the cosmological principle and evolutionary ideology. Whoever said the Church has no problem with aliens is talking through his or her hat. Its like saying the Church has no problem with evolution. You bet the Church has. There is not one official teaching that says the Church has no problem with aliens or evolutionism.
Indeed St Thomas Aquinas has already a theology that shows there is only ONE world. I can get it up if any want. As yet I have not see any such counter theology.
 
Al_Masetti said:
I can’t generalize about people who make statements about Wright Patterson Air Force Base. But it’s a huge facility that has a lot of buildings crowded together, and the immense Air Force Museum, near Dayton, Ohio [actually, Fairborne]. Parts of it are almost urban … and very large numbers of people walking around, driving around, and riding around on their bus routes, all the time. Thousands or tens of thousands of people work there and commute in and out every day. People socialize at local drinking establishments. It would be close to impossible to keep anything secret there.

The key thing is that since the advent of those picture cell phones, there have been fewer and fewer UFO sightings … it’s just much more difficult to fake a UFO sighting.

A few years ago, there was a photo in a magazine of a “UFO” … a few years after that the very same “UFO” mysteriously showed up at Wright Patterson AFB … at the museum … it was the “flying chicklet”. [Maybe someone on this thread could find a picture of it and post it here.]

There are a lot of experimental airplanes that have minimal wings and funny shapes. And there are a lot of “model airplanes” … RC … [remote control, not Roman Catholic] that are quite large. There is the Boeing “flying wing” that is serving as a test airplane [a model] for a future cargo plane … currently flying right now and it (the model) is extremely large.
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Fewer UFO sightings because of cell phone cameras? That’s not a reasonable assumption. I’ve been studying this subject for 30 years. Reports have not decreased. And it’s just as easy to fake a UFO photo with a cell phone camera.

Then there’s the bizarre assumption that money is to be made selling books about UFOs. I work in the media. I happen to know what average press runs are for books. Make money? That might have been the case for a handful of authors in the 1950s and early 1960s but not anymore.

I’ve seen the Boeing model. A flying wing does not look like a flying saucer. Please. In the 1950s, Northrop had a beautiful flying wing. It’s not a new technology. The Germans had a jet powered flying wing in World War II.

There are legitimate UFO reports in government files from various government agencies. I recommend that anyone really willing to look into all this, look at a copy of the CIRVIS-MERINT reporting system established between the US and Canada. It was to be used for the reporting of Vital Intelligence Sightings. On the handout was an illustration of a classic circular flying disc with a dome on top. There was no mistaking the fact that NORAD knew exactly what a UFO looked like and that means it was no high flying object or vague light in the sky.

Peace,
Ed
 
There are no space aliens. God created this whole wide universe, “the heavens and the earth”, just for little ol’ us - we who are created in the “image of God”, and for whom He died on the Cross. Love the truth - its much more beautiful than the lie.

“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Th. 2:9-10)
cassini said:
Indeed St Thomas Aquinas has already a theology that shows there is only ONE world. I can get it up if any want. As yet I have not see any such counter theology.
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Cassini! Hey brother, here’s St. Thomas (Article 3), but later the pope laid down the Law of Christ:

Denziger

Pope Pius II

[From the Bull “Exsecrabilis,”* Jan. 18; in the ancient Roman opinion 1459; that of today 1460]

717 The execrable and hitherto unheard of abuse has grown up in our day, that certain persons, imbued with the spirit of rebellion, and not from a desire to secure a better judgment, but to escape the punishment of some offense which they have committed, presume to appeal to a future council from the Roman Pontiff, the vicar of Jesus Christ, to whom in the person of the blessed PETER was said: “Feed my sheep” [John 21:17], and, “Whatever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven” [Matt. 16:19]. . . . Wishing therefore to expel this pestiferous poison far from the Church of Christ and to care for the salvation of the flock entrusted to us, and to remove every cause of offense from the fold of our Savior . . . we condemn all such appeals and disprove them as erroneous and detestable.

[Condemned in the letter “Cum sicut,” Nov. 14, 1459]
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717c (3) That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man.
 
Luke65 said:
There are no space aliens. God created this whole wide universe, “the heavens and the earth”, just for little ol’ us - we who are created in the “image of God”, and for whom He died on the Cross. Love the truth - its much more beautiful than the lie.

“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Th. 2:9-10)

Cassini! Hey brother, here’s St. Thomas (Article 3), but later the pope laid down the Law of Christ:

Denziger

Pope Pius II
[From the Bull “Exsecrabilis,”* Jan. 18; in the ancient Roman opinion 1459; that of today 1460]

717 The execrable and hitherto unheard of abuse has grown up in our day, that certain persons, imbued with the spirit of rebellion, and not from a desire to secure a better judgment, but to escape the punishment of some offense which they have committed, presume to appeal to a future council from the Roman Pontiff, the vicar of Jesus Christ, to whom in the person of the blessed PETER was said: “Feed my sheep” [John 21:17], and, “Whatever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven” [Matt. 16:19]. . . . Wishing therefore to expel this pestiferous poison far from the Church of Christ and to care for the salvation of the flock entrusted to us, and to remove every cause of offense from the fold of our Savior . . . we condemn all such appeals and disprove them as erroneous and detestable.

[Condemned in the letter “Cum sicut,” Nov. 14, 1459]
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717c (3) That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man.
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Great work Luke, thanks for showing us all the details.

Obviously then it was a car flying through the air over the trees, I got out my magnifying glass and I could barely make out a woman driver at the wheel. Anyone else spot this?
 
cassini said:
Seriously though, there are of course UFO’s many of these have been shown to be aircraft of different kinds or of some other human design. What there is not one shread of evidence for is that any of them are extra-terrestrial.

Aliens are science fiction built upon the cosmological principle and evolutionary ideology. Whoever said the Church has no problem with aliens is talking through his or her hat. Its like saying the Church has no problem with evolution. You bet the Church has. There is not one official teaching that says the Church has no problem with aliens or evolutionism.
Indeed St Thomas Aquinas has already a theology that shows there is only ONE world. I can get it up if any want. As yet I have not see any such counter theology.
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Someone told me about a flying saucer they’d seen one night, this year. He was standing outside his house in the country, and a light, like a disk shape appeared beside his leg and then flew up over his house. Of course he did not say it was a flying saucer or aliens, but it was the size of a saucer, 7 or 8 inches in diameter, and it did fly.
 
Thing said:
Someone told me about a flying saucer they’d seen one night, this year. He was standing outside his house in the country, and a light, like a disk shape appeared beside his leg and then flew up over his house. Of course he did not say it was a flying saucer or aliens, but it was the size of a saucer, 7 or 8 inches in diameter, and it did fly.
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Very strange indeed and I have no doubt he did experience what he said. I once came across an article explaining many causes for such sights, from fire-flies, to elecrtomagnetic flashes and disc-like flames that fly around, to kites, to experimental aircraft, rockets and dozens more things some one would never expect. But if any were intelligence caused why have none ever made contact? Until then, aliens are fiction. And I will bet we will go to our graves before that happens.
 
cassini said:
Very strange indeed and I have no doubt he did experience what he said. I once came across an article explaining many causes for such sights, from fire-flies, to elecrtomagnetic flashes and disc-like flames that fly around, to kites, to experimental aircraft, rockets and dozens more things some one would never expect. But if any were intelligence caused why have none ever made contact? Until then, aliens are fiction. And I will bet we will go to our graves before that happens.
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Those causes are interesting, but fireflies don’t live here, it could not be a kite, rocket or experimental aircraft because it sort of hovered just beside his leg about a foot or so off the ground before it flew away. He would not have survived the hot exhaust of a rocket or aircraft if it was hovering beside his leg, besides it was only 7 or 8 inches in dia., too small for either.
Another story came from five or six elderly folks driving home from a prayer meeting one night. None of them believe in aliens, flying saucers or ghosts. In other words they don’t make stuff up. As the car was driving along that night a large blob of light about 18 inches dia. landed on the front of the car just outside the windscreen, then it moved back and forth across the window, flew off to the left away from the car, flew back, stuck to the car and moved up the side of the window and across the roof before disappearing.
Ball lightening? but why the antics.
 
Luke65 said:
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717c (3) That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man.
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The Pope’s saying they’re aren’t other humans on other worlds that came from Adam and Eve.
 
catholic1seeks said:
The Pope’s saying they’re aren’t other humans on other worlds that came from Adam and Eve.
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Well, if you want to get technical, he said, “that consequently Adam was not the first man.” But the point is the Church defines humans as “rational creatures”, who therefore have free will and are sinners in need of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Now, I’m not going to bother debating whether our Lord goes running around the universe getting crucified for His creatures, I’ll just repeat what I said before: Love the truth. Or you will be deceived - you can count on it. :sad_yes:
 
Thing said:
Those causes are interesting, but fireflies don’t live here, it could not be a kite, rocket or experimental aircraft because it sort of hovered just beside his leg about a foot or so off the ground before it flew away. He would not have survived the hot exhaust of a rocket or aircraft if it was hovering beside his leg, besides it was only 7 or 8 inches in dia., too small for either.
Another story came from five or six elderly folks driving home from a prayer meeting one night. None of them believe in aliens, flying saucers or ghosts. In other words they don’t make stuff up. As the car was driving along that night a large blob of light about 18 inches dia. landed on the front of the car just outside the windscreen, then it moved back and forth across the window, flew off to the left away from the car, flew back, stuck to the car and moved up the side of the window and across the roof before disappearing.
Ball lightening? but why the antics.
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Sightings of course come from all around the world even where there are fire-flies. Must say those small ones are very strange.

‘None of them believe in aliens, flying saucers or ghosts.’ Ghosts, well now, I do believe in ghosts. Indeed start up a new thread: 'Who believes in ghosts and what are they? If we Catholics believe in angels, our spirits, purgatory, visions and miracles, are these not the ghosts I believe in? Could UFOs be some sort of ghost manifestations?
 
cassini said:
Sightings of course come from all around the world even where there are fire-flies. Must say those small ones are very strange.

‘None of them believe in aliens, flying saucers or ghosts.’ Ghosts, well now, I do believe in ghosts. Indeed start up a new thread: 'Who believes in ghosts and what are they? If we Catholics believe in angels, our spirits, purgatory, visions and miracles, are these not the ghosts I believe in? Could UFOs be some sort of ghost manifestations?
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They would be demons, and yes, they’ve been busy lately!
 
I have never seen a UFO, but I would like to.

If I do see one, I will post a detailed description here.

Based on my readings and viewings of photographs, for example, of the Roswell incident … it is now obvious that the Roswell UFO was a balloon. The mysterious material was clearly mylar … unknown to the public back then, but obvious now. It was used as part of a program to fly reconnaissance balloons over the Soviet Union using the jet stream. HUGE balloons carrying camera pods and flying very high over the USSR. Didn’t work really well. The balloons were made in Brooklyn, NY. The mystery markings were merely decorations on adhesive tape that was left over from a production run of Christmas wrappings. It was super top secret at the time. However, more recently one of the factory ladies who fabricated the balloons wrote her memoir and described what they did in detail.

I imagine the business about UFO’s was a story concocted by a bunch of public relations types cooped up in a conference room in some Air Force base who had to come up with something to throw off the media. Undoubtedly, IMHO, their creativity was fueled by copious amounts of Southern Comfort and the people involved had trouble breathing because they were laughing so hard and slapping their knees so hard.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Last Thursday I was at a restaurant with my Dad and grandparents. All of the sudden, my Grandfather pointed to the window. In the sky was, well, a UFO (i.e, an unidentified flying object – so that doesn’t mean it was ET’s corvette.). I was very amused but not scared. It seemed to “fly off” at an angle towards the clouds. My Dad tried to convince me that it was just a balloon. However, most balloons are transparent. The object was solid black. My Grandma told me it was a hellicopter, but it looked to spherical. Now, it was sunset, and the window we were looking out of was tinted at the top. We didn’t have the best view. I don’t know what it was.

I’ve asked many questions about UFOs and aliens here on CA before mainly because I’m concerned with their compatibility with Christianity. I’d rather not believe in them. In fact, if people were to ask me my wost fear, I’d probably say aliens 😛 (I used to be afraid of the movie Mars Attacks:p). But I’ve seen too many things about them on TV. Some may think it’s silly to believe in ETs and UFOs, but I think it’s silly to ignore all of the evidence. Even the History Channel is usually fair at reporting UFO sightings.

My Question: If ET’s are visiting us and flying around out skies and doing who knows what (sight seeing?), why don’t you think Divine Revelation has anything to say about them? That is, why didn’t Jesus say anything about them? The Bible and Church Tradition teaches us that humans are central to God’s plan; we’re made in his image and have an immortal soul. If Extraterrestrials existed but didn’t interfere with us – if we didn’t even know they existed – I can see why it would not be necessary. But apparently that’s not the case.
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The following is most definitely my own opinion, and not Church teaching.

In my opinion, UFOs and the UFO Abduction Phenomenon are described in the Bible. In my opinion, UFOs and the Abduction Phenomenon are 100% demonic.
 
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