UK : "Dangers to Democracy"?

[Setlam]

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If the prognostics of a shrinked Minority hanging on to power, opposed to an enlarged Majority of differently-thinking People in the UK, Europe and the World, are confirmed, then, grave “Dangers to Democracy” appear :

• “Another Blair government would be a danger to democracy, former BBC director general Greg Dyke”, reportedly warned at an earlier news conference

“they have Undermined trust in our whole political system”. “our democratic system is in Crisis as a result of his style of government.”, the experienced Media manager warned, speaking of Mr. Bliar.

"“If you were a journalist and you didn’t support their side, they tried to get you”. “That’s a very dangerous position for a democratic party to get into. You’re either on our side, or you’re the enemy”, Dyke warned, denouncing Threats against democratic Liberties and Human Rights of critics.

( See, f.ex. : news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4504975.stm )

Such undemocratic threats were already apparent during an astonishingly oppressive electoral period of dubious legality :

• Among various other negative, manipulative incidents, the famous … “more than 10% advance” for Mr. Bliar, false claim by a caricatural “Financial Times” pseudo"Poll", heavily copied by Public Sector BBC, etc. at the last minute of the electoral campain, proved to be Goebbels-like Intox full of gross lies… (See our publication : “False Polls ?”).
• Added to the infamous "Post voting"s risks for “Fraud”, such Facts should, normally, lead Observers to Check these Elections closer, to control whether they meet, or transgress, elementary Democratic Standards that we ask from other countries in Europe and the World.

• Moreover, we never saw, at any other country in the World, such an astonishing insistance to Censor, Obstruct, Aggress or Harass Critical Views during the Electoral Campaign, even at the Internet, between simple Citizens !

• Public Funds-supported BBC, after delaying, repeatedly REFUSED to publish any of our messages with critical Facts and Arguments, not even at its “Public” Forum ! (there is even written proof of this blatant, Political Censorship).
• Other Websites’ “Public” Forums were suddenly “BLOCKED”, and inaccessible, when it became obvious that we, and other friends, were trying to participate into Critical debates, bringing in Facts and Arguments opposing Mr. Bliar’s political positions (on BioEthics, Civic Liberties, Education, etc).
• Even direct and Brutal e-AGGRESSIONS, suddenly appeared and multiplied, with various Websites’ access OBSTRUCTED, some “Disappeared” (!), Communication Internet lines were Disrupted, Pressure on Hosts or “Hackers” blocked, Hindering any new Publication, while elsewhere even published texts were “Erased” after external Interferences, without any warning, added to Spying, Harassing, gross Insults, (etc). : An astonishing mis-behavior typical of petty THUGS, Afraid of any Critical Truth…

After the well-known, tragic Scandal (unique in the World) of Dr. David Kelly, the critical expert who was Slandered and Discredited by a few diffamating cowards abusing of Public Sector posts, reportedly Threatened and Harassed, before being found brutally Killed, emptied from all his Blood, by a strange Wound, at a Desert place, (a Crime non-elucidated by a person who led alone an “Enquiry” which white-washed those who appointed him), we can expect any Risk of Abuse.

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[Setlam]

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But now, after our critical Publications, everybody clearly knows where any Harassment would come from, and Aggressors, Slanderers, Oppressors or other Thug-like Negative Interferences will be Unable to Hide their Grave Political Responsibilities.

=> This Administration will be closely watched and monitored, particularly in order not to repeat and/or aggravate Negative Harassment against Democratic Liberties in oppressive exploitation of European Responsibilities which will be entrusted to her by the E.U. etc., between July and December 2005, in order not to repeat or aggravate the abuses which had appeared back in 1998 and their damaging aftermath (1999-2000).

Citizens will have to struggle to defend their Human Rights and protect their Democratic Freedoms, as well as more threats that all Humanity may face by "Dr. FrankenstTony Bliar"s notoriously pro-Cloning and Genetic Manipulations policies, (as some had pertinently named the main dangers).

There must be Limits to what a diminished Minority can abuse against a differently-thinking Majority and critical Citizens defending Human Dignity Values, in a real Democracy.

Otherwise, Nixon’s Watergate Scandal and Impeachment will be peanuts compared to what may happen if this shrinked Minority commits more Abuses of the Power almost usurpated from the People.

The Healthy Critical reaction of the large Majority of British People, and a careful reading of one of our main texts ("Let us love Britain anew : No more “Dr. FrankensTony Bliars” ! ), will be one of the Moral Guarantees to prevent any revengeful, hateful Petty Thug, disguissed under any “Official” Mask, or not, from doing more Harm against Citical Citizens’ elementary Safety and Freedom of Expression.

The Future will Judge us all.

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(Comp. : forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=640065&posted=1#post640065 )

 

[Setlam]

Here is one of the e-AGGRESSIONS during U.K. Election, which hindered to publish critical texts during the last, crucial, days, striking even against “Catholic Answers” Forum :

*"The requested URL could not be retrieved

While trying to retrieve the URL: forums.catholic-questions.org/

The following error was encountered:
Unable to determine IP address from host name for unknown server name
This means that:

The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL.
Check if the address is correct.

Generated Thu, 05 May 2005
19:09:08 GMT by (Application and Content Networking System Software 5.1.3)"*

 

[springbreeze]

Setlam:

Here is one of the e-AGGRESSIONS during U.K. Election, which hindered to publish critical texts during the last, crucial, days, striking even against “Catholic Answers” Forum :

"The requested URL could not be retrieved

While trying to retrieve the URL: forums.catholic-questions.org/

*The following error was encountered: *
*Unable to determine IP address from host name for unknown server name *
*This means that: *

*The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL. *
*Check if the address is correct. *

*Generated Thu, 05 May 2005 *
19:09:08 GMT by (Application and Content Networking System Software 5.1.3)"

Dear friend

eh? I live in the UK and could access Catholic Answers Forums! Something up with your internet provider mate, because I certainly had no problems whatsoever in accessing any of the sites I normally would use. That blows apart your conspiracy theory!!

God Bless
Teresa

 

[springbreeze]

Dear friend

It was a slim victory true, but then Margaret Thatcher had a slim victory in her last term of office and only then because she altered the constituencies to create more in the south where she expected to receive more votes!

Democracy per se depends on the voters coming out to vote, alot of people don’t vote and then sit and complain. If the populous doesn’t vote then they end up with the party people come out and vote for.

It was a slim victory but one I am pleased about. I don’t want a Tory Gov again, it oppressed my entire teenage years and I saw people all around me on strike and loosing their jobs. I remember my father striking when all the major utilities striked and I remember him sitting discussing with my uncle about burning wood in the middle of the room for warmth rather than be defeated by the Tories.

If you want to complain about slim victories, then think back to how life was when the Tories had power…maybe it didn’t affect you, but the country by and large remembers it and won’t go back to it!!

As a Catholic Labour is the only choice my conscience can make.

Try not to make up conspiracy theories about the internet either, there wasn’t one!

God Bless you

Teresa

 

[Setlam]

springbreeze:

… confused: eh? I live in the UK and could access Catholic Answers Forums! Something up with your internet provider mate, because I certainly had no problems whatsoever …That blows apart your conspiracy theory!!
…

That rather … PROVES the contrary : Even more the Fact that it was

=> selective, Discriminatory e-AGGRESSIONS targetting only Critical Persons ready to publish Facts and Arguments against “Dr. FrankensTony Bliar”'s extreme pro-Cloning/Genetic Manipulations policies,

while letting his followers only (See your plaidoyerie for “New Lab”, hereafter), in an obviously unbalanced, discriminatory and undemocratic way.

Thanks for (unwillingly…) revealing that supplementary Fact !

 

[cainem]

i’m also a labour supporter but at one point could not access this forum, don’t think it was conspiracy just some glitch

 

[Setlam]

It was a slim victory true

Of a reduced Minority against an enlarged Majority of People,

And with Controversial, Dubious methods abused during last electoral days, (see f.ex. Facts cited above).

Democracy per se depends on the voters coming out to vote,

True : And Mr. Bliar will be marked in History as alone to have diminished voters and pushed Abstention to levels never seen before as long as Polls were established since the 19th century !

If the populous doesn’t vote …

What a pejorative, contemptuous way to speak about People and Citizens !

Real Christians doNOT treat People with such a contempt …

It was a slim victory but one I am pleased

Hum…

I remember my father striking when all the major utilities striked

Are you aware of the Fact that, today, many Young (and old) People don’t even have the “privilege” to be permanently employed by “Major Utilities”, neither the “luxe” to “strike”, as you say,

but are either deprived of work or obliged to submit to precarious, low-level “jobs” of the worst kind, pushed to sacrifice their brains and dignity each day, only to “survive”, as if they sere animals ?

I don’t want a Tory Gov again

That has nothing to do with our thread, here.

You are free to vote whatever you like, including Conservative Alliance, or Liberal-Democrats, or anyone else among many Other parties, (as the large Majority of British People just did !).

it oppressed my entire teenage years

Let’s hope they didn’t, at least, threaten to impose an APPARTHEID School with SEPARATE classes for the …“Gifted”, to discriminate from “Children with Problems” (sic !), as "NewLab(oratory?) announced,

Neither imposed University “Tuition Fees”,
that NewLab(oratory?) reportedly threatens even to increase,

while Conservative Alliance promised to scrap all tuition fees
(a big gift for Poor Students and their Families)…

As a Catholic
Labour is the only choice
my conscience can make.

Too much presomptuous Propaganda…

The most striking point, for Real Catholics,
(but also other Christians, and well beyond),

=> is that it’s obviously impossible to remain a real Catholic and submit to the most extreme pro-Cloning and pro-Genetic Manipulation policies in the World, of “Dr. FrankensTony Bliar”,

who was notoriously isolated at the U.N. for opposing (since 9/11) a Catholic Church/Vatican-backed Resolution to protect Humans from any Cloning and genetic manipulations against Human Dignity (See our initial publication).

Try not to make up conspiracy theories about the internet

What are you speaking about ?

“The Internet” is notoriously spied
as nothing else in the world …

But we spoke only about concrete FACTS
and specific DATES, concerning exceptionally important Issues at stake, not only for British People, but also for the World and even Humankind.

… there wasn’t one !

Interesting, your “Theory”…

But, how do you know ?

+Do you have any Proof
for what you claim ?

 

[David_Paul]

Darn. Lost my Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite Jargon Delux Decoder Ring in the sink last week so I really can’t comment on whatever this is all about until The Centre sends me a new one.

I do know a “danger to democracy” means the authoritarian left is not getting its way on something.

Or other.

 

[Setlam]

[quote="cainem
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i’m also a labour supporter
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Hum : all out of a sudden, we see too many “labour supporters” AFTER the Elections : Where were they BEFORE ?..

but at one point could not access this forum

Interesting : From SCOTLAND you say ?

I.e. there where Lib-Dems and SP got most seats ?
(See BBC’s Electoral results map, with most Scotland bright Gold-Yellow !)

=> Do you have any Proof ?

It would be interesting to add that also to the File of Incidents that Electoral Commissions will have to Check afterwards to assess Controversies on how these polls were conducted, mainly from Media and Information point of view.

don’t think it was conspiracy just some glitch

We never spoke ONLY for the CatholicForums Blockade during UK Elections most crucial days,

but for a “LONG SERIES” of Grave, Unprecedented Incidents : Censorship, Refusal of Texts, Blockades, Interferences in Communications, many Website Forums suddenly “inaccessible”, and various other e-Aggressions : even NOMINAL unwarned and Discriminatory Obstructions, (See above).

But, if you have any kind of Proof on Your famous … “Glitch” Theory,
then, you’re welcome to present it to Public Debate…

 

[springbreeze]

Setlam:

You vote for who you like, that’s a Democracy. You vote conservative if you think that is the greater good. I’ll vote for Labour as has always been known to be supported by the Church. I don’t care who you vote for, that’s your freedom, your conscience and your right! But please, no-one I know votes Conservative, especially the Catholics. They either vote Lib-Dem or Labour…you do as you like friend. I’m not going to discuss politics with you because we are poles apart.

Interesting, your “Theory”…

But, how do you know ?

Because my mother, friends and I could log onto and post into anything we liked! If you had problems, then YOU had problems, not the entire nation . Therefore there is no consiracy.:tsktsk:

+Do you have any Proof
for what you claim ?

I find it amusing you immediately think there is a lock down on the net by the Gov. just because you can’t access a few sites in your little world.

Oh well

God Bless
Teresa

 

[springbreeze]

politicsandcurrentaffairs.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=7737&start=0

thestudentroom.co.uk/

politics.abovetopsecret.com/index.php

Ummmm These sites didn’t seem to have a problem posting yesterday at all and this is just a few sites I found randomly searching the web for political chat forums…

Hmmmm oh well friend nice try but your conspiracy theory is in your mind

God Bless
Teresa

 

[Setlam]

NB => “The SMALLEST” vote difference in History !

With only some 36%, (against 64% for all the opposition),

Dr. FrankensTony Bliar’s “New Lab(oratory?)” partie got … " the SMALLEST share of the vote achieved by a winning party in a General Election", during all UK’s History,

according to “ThisisLondon” !
See : thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/18417586?source=PA

In all other countries, with such a tiny percentage he’d be in opposition …

It’s not with such a TINY % que Mr. "FrankensTony Bliar " might have any legitimity to let his agents Harass Critics and/or impose to Britain, Europe and the World his extreme pro-Cloning/Genetic Manipulation dangerous policies …

 

[Setlam]

HOME SECRETARY STATEMENT ON ELECTORAL FRAUD

Reference: 015/2005 - Date: 6 Apr 2005 11:50

Following a meeting today with Chris Fox, President of the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO), to discuss electoral fraud, the Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, said:

“Mr Fox and I are fully committed to ensuring that the election is properly policed to guard against electoral fraud.

“Mr Fox made clear that any allegations of electoral fraud will be investigated vigorously and pursued by the police. The police are working closely with the Electoral Commission, the Home Office and Department for Constitutional Affairs, to ensure that every returning officer has access to, and the full support of, local police as appropriate.

“ACPO and the Electoral Commission have been working closely together during the last 12 months to develop detailed guidance on tackling electoral fraud. The guidance takes account of the judgement following the electoral petitions in Birminghamand will be sent to all forces and returning officers this week.”

Published: 6 Apr 2005

 

[Setlam]

NB => “The SMALLEST” vote difference in History !

With only some 36%, (against 64% for all the opposition),

Dr. FrankensTony Bliar’s “New Lab(oratory?)” partie got … " the SMALLEST share of the vote achieved by a winning party in a General Election", during all UK’s History,

according to “ThisisLondon” !
See : thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/18417586?source=PA

In all other countries, with such a tiny percentage he’d be in opposition …

It’s not with such a TINY % que Mr. "FrankensTony Bliar " might have any legitimity to let his agents Harass Critics and/or impose to Britain, Europe and the World his dangerous, extreme pro-Cloning/Genetic Manipulation dangerous policies …

 

[springbreeze]

Labours majority is more than Mrs Thatchers put together, I just saw that on BBC news.

Have a good day

God Bless

Teresa

 

[Setlam]

David_Paul:

Darn. Lost my Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite Jargon Delux Decoder Ring… …I do know a “danger to democracy” means the authoritarian left is not getting its way …

What’s this brouillamini ?

Since when Howard of the Conservatives, ex-BBC Director Duke, and Kennedy of Lib-Dems, would be “Leftists Marxist-Leninist-Trotskysts”, as you claim ?

Unless "Dr. FrankensTony Bliar’’'s agents pushed Electoral “Fraud” (see above) and Genetic Manipulations to that extend…

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

Man are you serious? This seems blown a little (understatement) out of porportion to me. Blair won didn’t he? Get over it…

 

[cainem]

hey setlam, hope your not trying to make out i’m a liar, if i say i’m a labour supporter you will have to accept this, it is interesting to note that you overlook the fact that during the tory years scotland had always a labour majority, it wasn’t until england got fed up with the tories that we got a labour government, ( to those outside the uk we operate a first past the post system, so really you could argue our vote doesn’t count as we only have a population of 5 million or so),also our scottish parliament is a labour one, if some voters wish to express their disgruntlement at any level of government, then they will use their vote to do so,
yip theres definately a conspiracy there
ps i voted labour because they are the only party to defend catholic faith schools the libdems and scottish socialists want rid of them

 

[Setlam]

Tyler Smedley:

… Blair won didn’t he? Get over it…

Things are not so simple.
A post published elsewhere, deserves to be cited here :
notquitemyself:

Assumes the 38% or so of non voters were not lazy/apathetic/unable to vote and would have voted against …Dr FrankensTony Bliar and his laboratory…

Quite True !

Calculating what you remind, it reveals that :

=> In fact, Dr. FrankensTony Bliar and his “New Lab(oratory?)”, claims to govern Britain, EU, the World (G8) and even the whole Humanity (comp. Cloning/Genetic Manipulations)

with …less than only 21% (twenty one per cent) of the voters !

That’s blatantly scandalous and Irresponsible !