UK: Religious Schools May Not Teach Christian Sexual Morals "As if They Were True"

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Whats next? Teaching the existance of God as an objective truth might offend atheists? Where did the separation of Church and State go to?

Even more troubling is that in this day and age we can hardly expect the average Catholic parents to find time to teach their children the Faith, let alone have any clear grasp of it themselves.
 
Caesar said:
Whats next? Teaching the existance of God as an objective truth might offend atheists? Where did the separation of Church and State go to?

Even more troubling is that in this day and age we can hardly expect the average Catholic parents to find time to teach their children the Faith, let alone have any clear grasp of it themselves.
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Technically, Great Britain, as far as I know, doesn’t have a “Separation of Church and State.” As a matter of fact, neither do we, but that’s another matter.

On the technical side, the Church of England is the official religion of Great Britain, but that appears to be in name only with secular humanism as the unofficial official religion.
 
I was just going to create a forum for this topic, but someone beat me to it.

In any case I can hardly express how sad I find this. Someone stated simply that parents’ll have to teach their children themselves, but that won’t solve the problem, unless enough priests violate the law to keep the laity informed as to what is moral and what is immoral. If they don’t then the parents won’t be able to teach their children, because they’ll be taught that it’s only a religious opinion.

Honestly I don’t think it’ll be too long until a few priests are arrested for “hate speech” when giving a homily, or a bishop when writing a pastoral letter.

All we can do is pray I guess. I wish there was more…😦

Catholig
 
Caesar said:
Whats next? Teaching the existence of God as an objective truth might offend atheists? Where did the separation of Church and State go to?

Even more troubling is that in this day and age we can hardly expect the average Catholic parents to find time to teach their children the Faith, let alone have any clear grasp of it themselves.
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Well I don’t know if techniqually say that Christian-- I guess I should say Catholic, Christian can be a bit of a free for all-- sexual morals are objectively True, that might be right. The sexual morals though can be objectively true to Catholic principles.

If we had a great solid proof of the existence of God, I wouldn’t need faith. I’m greatful for the faith, and the knowledge that helped played a hand in leading me to it.
 
It is appalling. I was in Scotland when they started to allow “gays” to teach in schools that homosexuality is a valid alternative family lifestyle. As a few did, I wrote to the papers, and some of the replies were… but someone sent me the url of the material the gay lobby had ready for children as young as five; dad and dad in bed naked, with a small girl playing atop the blankets.

Home schooling sounds very, very good these days… and not only for Roman Catholics of course.

And see this article… I was about to post it anyways
narth.com/docs/scotland.html.
 
The UK. The USA. Sweden. Canada.
The Spirit of the Devil is alive and active in our nations.
That demonic spirit has a name: Liberalism.
 
The operative word in the thread title is may. All that Lifesite is talking about is a recommendation contained in a report by a non-statutory body the “Joint Committee on Human Rights”. Lifesite wrongly labels it a Government Committee, it is nothing of the kind. You can see its own site at parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/joint_committee_on_human_rights.cfm

The report on Lifesite quotes this phrase instruction must be modified “so that homosexual pupils are not subjected to teaching, as part of the religious education or other curriculum, that their sexual orientation is sinful or morally wrong.”. That is perfectly compatible with Catholic teaching since the Catechism describes a homosexual orientation as “objectively disordered” not morally wrong. Homosexual acts are considered illicit but not the orientation as such see vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

Lifesite also cites the phrase says the Regulations will not “prevent pupils from being taught as part of their religious education the fact that certain religions view homosexuality as sinful,” but they may not teach “a particular religion’s doctrinal beliefs as if they were objectively true” Actually the Committee itself phrased it like this publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200607/jtselect/jtrights/58/58.pdf
Applying the Regulations to the curriculum would not prevent pupils from being taught as part of their religious education the fact that certain religions view homosexuality as sinful. In our view there is an important difference between this factual information being imparted in a descriptive way as part of a wide-ranging syllabus about different religions, and a curriculum which teaches a particular religion’s doctrinal beliefs as if they were objectively true. The latter is likely to lead to unjustifiable discrimination against homosexual pupils.
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Which is something that you can put more than one spin on but it seems to be saying that, for example a Muslim school can teach that it believes homosexuality to be wrong because Allah condemns it in the Quran but cannot teach that it is wrong in the same way that it teaches that the sky is blue. It needs to give a ground for its belief.
 
People who actually care will take care of this problem, the rest will follow those front-runners over a cliff. I had no problems teaching my kids morality once it got into my head that it was my obligation to learn it first. I am sorry as heck for those folks who don’t have any interest, as they and their children will likely become lost. There is no amount of CCD that can make up for parents who don’t care, as faith is not an intellectual excercise as much as it is an internalization of information. Anyone who hasn’t internalized it just goes through the motions, but the real thing just isn’t there.
 
hermitcrab said:
It is appalling. I was in Scotland when they started to allow “gays” to teach in schools that homosexuality is a valid alternative family lifestyle. As a few did, I wrote to the papers, and some of the replies were… but someone sent me the url of the material the gay lobby had ready for children as young as five; dad and dad in bed naked, with a small girl playing atop the blankets.
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ooooh, the horror.

The book: answers.com/topic/jenny-lives-with-eric-and-martin

The naked men in bed scene was no more than a child playing while the adults were sitting up in bed.
 
Aaaahhh, now let me guess…These same people would have no problem if these same schools were to teach secular sexual morals (or lack thereof) “as if they were true.” :rolleyes:
 
Kuryakyn said:
Aaaahhh, now let me guess…These same people would have no problem if these same schools were to teach secular sexual morals (or lack thereof) “as if they were true.” :rolleyes:
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You can ask them yourself. The membeship of the committee is listed at publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200607/jtselect/jtrights/58/58.pdf

Current Membership
HOUSE OF LORDS
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie
Lord Judd
Lord Lester of Herne Hill
The Earl of Onslow
Lord Plant of Highfield
Baroness Stern

HOUSE OF COMMONS

Mr Douglas Carswell MP (Conservative, Harwich)
Mr Andrew Dismore MP (Labour, Hendon) (Chairman)
Nia Griffith MP (Labour, Llanelli)
Dr Evan Harris MP (Liberal Democrat, Oxford West &
Abingdon)
Mr Richard Shepherd MP (Conservative, Aldridge-Brownhills)
Mark Tami MP (Labour, Alyn and Deeside)
 
Digger71 said:
ooooh, the horror.

The book: answers.com/topic/jenny-lives-with-eric-and-martin

The naked men in bed scene was no more than a child playing while the adults were sitting up in bed.
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Have you ever seen a children’s book with mommy and daddy laying in bed with the kids half-clothed? Was the intent to make sure they knew mommy and daddy laying in bed was normal?
The only reason you would have to teach a child something was normal is if it wasn’t normal at all. Your attitude in this displays a lack of understanding. Why should we teach kids that gay couples are okay? I thought they were supposed to learn reading and math.
 
seekerz said:
Do you have a link to that picture so I can judge for myself?
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Sadly, I don’t. I spent an hour searching and while I have seen plenty of the book covers, nothing for the contents.

I’ve checked Google images, British newspapers, conservative and chritian blogs, Amazon. etc.
 
dafalax said:
Have you ever seen a children’s book with mommy and daddy laying in bed with the kids half-clothed? Was the intent to make sure they knew mommy and daddy laying in bed was normal?
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Oh yes, everybody goes to bed fully clothed, and when they get back in to bed to eat breakfast they never take their dressing gown off.

Most of the women I know skeep nude if child free, or have an oversized T-shirt or a nightie in bed. The men sleep nude or in boxers. I don’t know anyone with pyjamas. In summer it is perfectly normal to see people walking the streets, parks and road with their tops off.
The only reason you would have to teach a child something was normal is if it wasn’t normal at all. Your attitude in this displays a lack of understanding. Why should we teach kids that gay couples are okay? I thought they were supposed to learn reading and math.
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So, you’re children can cope with the modern world, so they don’t go to prison for queer bashing, so they don’t get queer bashed, so they don’t become unemployed because they are mistaken/are gay…oh, and because homosexuality is atypical, but not abnormal… for example.

The author said:

“I wrote Jenny Lives with Eric and Martin back in 1981 because I became aware of the problems which some children face when meeting family groupings different from the ones they are familiar with, ie mum and dad, possibly mum and dad divorced, maybe a step-parent."

Despite these intentions, the book has been categorized as “homosexual propaganda” by some, which has led to much of its influence and even notoriety.

sheesh
 
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