UN staff killed in Afghan protest over Quran burning in US

[iamrefreshed]

At what point, however, does silence imply approval? If I stand in a room when a person I know uses a racial slur, and I stay silent, then I have failed to show my belief that this was wrong.

1-This is not a racial issue.

2-He has a Constitutional right to burn the Quran.

3-Ignoring him denies him headlines.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Good for him! We need thousands more like him.

If there were Koran burnings on a regular and frequent basis, the act would lose it’s novelty and shock value. Muslims would eventually become desensitized to it, and react to it like the rest of the world ~ “what an idiot”, then move on with their lives.

I must disagree.

 

[iamrefreshed]

You know what, I now feel that you are deliberately misreading my post. I didn’t make any claim that it was about race, I used an analogy. Earlier in the thread, you had said that the only reason Jones got any attention was “chronic America apologizers” or something like that, along with extremists. My point was that to stay silent is to imply that what is going is acceptable, and I used the example of a racial slur. That isn’t saying its about race, its making an analogy, and I thought that it was fairly clear.

Well, I’m not sure if I misread your post but I can certainly say that, if I did, it was not deliberate.

My point is that sometimes giving too much attention to something only fuels it.

This man broke no laws. If he wants to be a bigot, that is his right. Best to let him do it quietly with his 15 bigot friends.

That, or we will have the POTUS giving him another phone call.

 

[Mr_Skeptic]

Good for him! We need thousands more like him.

If there were Koran burnings on a regular and frequent basis, the act would lose it’s novelty and shock value. Muslims would eventually become desensitized to it, and react to it like the rest of the world ~ “what an idiot”, then move on with their lives.

I must disagree.

Well, that clears things up.

Most people who express disagreement on something, would say that they disagree, and then explain their rationale for the disagreement.

Tell me - why must you disagree? Don’t leave me hanging. Throw a dog a bone.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Good for him! We need thousands more like him.

If there were Koran burnings on a regular and frequent basis, the act would lose it’s novelty and shock value. Muslims would eventually become desensitized to it, and react to it like the rest of the world ~ “what an idiot”, then move on with their lives.

I must disagree.
Mr Skeptic;7685842:

Well, that clears things up.

Most people who express disagreement on something, would say that they disagree, and then explain their rationale for the disagreement.

Tell me - why must

you disagree? Don’t leave me hanging. Throw a dog a bone.
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Well, I don’t think we need thousands more just like him. I think one of him is quite enough.

I also disagree with the premise that if Koran burnings were to become more common, that the novelty and shock value would lessen and Muslims would take it in stride. People just don’t like having things they view as sacred being desecrated. In my opinion, if that were true, Christians would no longer be offended when some artist decides to desecrate something we feel is sacred. An example that immediately comes to mind is the artist that put a crucifx in urine. I know there are much more recent offenses toward Christians that have occurred, but that is one that immediately came to mind.

 

[Mr_Skeptic]

People just don’t like having things they view as sacred being desecrated. In my opinion, if that were true, Christians would no longer be offended when some artist decides to desecrate something we feel is sacred. An example that immediately comes to mind is the artist that put a crucifx in urine. I know there are much more recent offenses toward Christians that have occurred, but that is one that immediately came to mind.

Main difference - you didn’t have multitudes of Christians reacting by rioting in the streets and making death threats. I’m just wanting Muslim reactions on the same par as Christian reactions, and not becoming emotionally unglued and going to extremes.

And that’s a big difference.

 

[Not_Sure_1]

burning the koran, a holy book to so many people is a great dishonor.

But, to burn a book is to show your ultimate disapproval of the work and its author
and the Koran has many very hateful, violent verses in its pages, and the less I say about Muhammad the better. He was a brutal murderer, and he consummated a relationship with a 6 year old girl, Aisha, when she was six years old, and he was middle aged.

But I still disagree with this man’s actions.

 

[Mr_Skeptic]

I say, keep at the burnings, 365 days a year, several times a day. The over-the-top reactionaries will eventually have to take shifts. Somebody has to work. After about two to three years of that, they will have run out of strength. You know. All that anger, rage and mayhem takes a lot out of a person. After a while, they’ll voice their disgust, then go about their lives.

 

[Lujack]

I say, keep at the burnings, 365 days a year, several times a day. The over-the-top reactionaries will eventually have to take shifts. Somebody has to work. After about two to three years of that, they will have run out of strength. You know. All that anger, rage and mayhem takes a lot out of a person. After a while, they’ll voice their disgust, then go about their lives.

What about all the people who aren’t over-the-top reactionaries? The one’s to whom this is just an insult-they don’t threaten to murder or bomb anyone, but it does hurt them and stand as an insult to their religion. Do they not count?

 

[Mr_Skeptic]

What about all the people who aren’t over-the-top reactionaries? The one’s to whom this is just an insult-they don’t threaten to murder or bomb anyone, but it does hurt them and stand as an insult to their religion. Do they not count?

If we’re going to go that route, we will be at a point where absolutely no criticism of anything religious will be allowed in the public square. It’s the Middle Ages, all over again.

 

[LemonAndLime]

burning the koran, a holy book to so many people is a great dishonor.

But, to burn a book is to show your ultimate disapproval of the work and its author
and the Koran has many very hateful, violent verses in its pages, and the less I say about Muhammad the better. He was a brutal murderer, and he consummated a relationship with a 6 year old girl, Aisha, when she was six years old, and he was middle aged.

But I still disagree with this man’s actions.

Which hateful violent verses? Are you going to suggest that the Bible is a peaceful book with no mention of murder, rape and violence?

But yes, Muhammad’s story is very controversial, but I am sure it’s not as simple as you say it is.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Main difference - you didn’t have multitudes of Christians reacting by rioting in the streets and making death threats. I’m just wanting Muslim reactions on the same par as Christian reactions, and not becoming emotionally unglued and going to extremes.

And that’s a big difference.

Of course you make a valid point. Reactions are hugely different with death being demanded by some for even very small slights or affronts, as we all well know. Imagine the reaction had the artist put Muhommad in urine rather than Christ. BUT, does that mean it should be acceptable to deliberately disrespect and provoke folks by going so far as to desecrate something sacred in their eyes? I think not. Basic respect for our fellow man and his beliefs should prevent that. One can disagree without being obnoxious.

 

[SwizzleStick]

burning the koran, a holy book to so many people is a great dishonor.

But, to burn a book is to show your ultimate disapproval of the work and its author …

But I still disagree with this man’s actions.

I agree with the part of your quote that I excerpted above.

As far as the rest, I have never read the Koran, so I don’t know what is in it, though what I have heard from others supports what you wrote.

 

[SwizzleStick]

If we’re going to go that route, we will be at a point where absolutely no criticism of anything religious will be allowed in the public square. It’s the Middle Ages, all over again.

“Criticism” is a very mild choice of words. I think it is something much harsher than that. With that being said, I acknowledge that it might be difficult to discern where the line is drawn between the two and how far one could go before they cross the line. However, I believe that burning the Koran is over the line.

 

[LemonAndLime]

I say, keep at the burnings, 365 days a year, several times a day. The over-the-top reactionaries will eventually have to take shifts. Somebody has to work. After about two to three years of that, they will have run out of strength. You know. All that anger, rage and mayhem takes a lot out of a person. After a while, they’ll voice their disgust, then go about their lives.

Either that, or you’ll have another 9/11 - to be blunt. If these people are as volatile as you say they are, you should expect to have as much violence returned as you are giving by burning their Holy book.

No disrespect meant to those who died during the 9/11 attacks. I do not mean to suggest that the attack was deserved either. All I am saying is that an aggressive action asks for an aggressive response, and they might not respond merely with protests next time.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Exactly.

 

[Lujack]

If we’re going to go that route, we will be at a point where absolutely no criticism of anything religious will be allowed in the public square. It’s the Middle Ages, all over again.

Wait, where did I say that it should be illegal? He has a free speech right to do it-good people all over the country have a free speech right to call him wrong.

 

[SwizzleStick]

I say, keep at the burnings, 365 days a year, several times a day. The over-the-top reactionaries will eventually have to take shifts. Somebody has to work. After about two to three years of that, they will have run out of strength. You know. All that anger, rage and mayhem takes a lot out of a person. After a while, they’ll voice their disgust, then go about their lives.

Molly Norris may have agreed with your premise at one time, but she might disagree with you now.

"Muslim Death Threat for US Cartoonist: Marked for death: “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” Artist Forced to Change identity

Remember “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day?” A relatively unknown cartoonist, Molly Norris, declared “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day” in response to the death threats (fatwa) issued against the producers of Comedy Central. Her thinking, rightly, of course, was that if everyone drew Muhammad, the jihadists couldn’t kill everyone… after the fact of the insult won’t work. "…

Entire entry: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/muslim-death-threat-for-us-cartoonist-marked-for-deatheverybody-draw-mohammed-day-artist-forced-to-c.html

 

[SwizzleStick]

…All I am saying is that an aggressive action asks for an aggressive response, and they might not respond merely with protests next time.

Yep. When a cartoonist is marked for death because she simply drew an image of Muhammed and suggested others do the same, one cannot know what the response may be when someone does something as aggressive as burning the Koran.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Wait, where did I say that it should be illegal? He has a free speech right to do it-good people all over the country have a free speech right to call him wrong.

He is wrong. He is being deliberately offensive and provocative and crossed the line. Now, had he decided to draw an image of Muhommad instead, that should not be a big deal. Burning the Koran is something else entirely, although reactions by some would be entirely the same no matter what. Draw a picture = fatwa, burn a Koran = fatwa for some.