UN staff killed in Afghan protest over Quran burning in US

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That’s irrelevant to the point I’m making. You said you are more sympathetic to Jones. I was asking you - are you going to tell me you’re more sympathetic to the man who was punched in the face even though he asked for it?
The only people I have sympathy for in this story is those affected by the Islamic physical violence.

Sympathy does not make things legal or illegal. Mr. Jones committed no illegal acts. The Muslim’s who killed 2 Christians are the one’s with blood on their hands…literally.:mad:

You indicated the US needs to change our laws to accomodate the Muslim world’s tendency to react violently. I strongly disagree. Let the violent change their ways.
 
The only people I have sympathy for in this story is those affected by the Islamic physical violence. …
Yes.
…Sympathy does not make things legal or illegal. Mr. Jones committed no illegal acts. The Muslim’s who killed 2 Christians are the one’s with blood on their hands…literally.:mad:
Jones is an idiot who deliberately provoked Muslims by burning their book, but I agree that his freedom to be an idiot should not be limited. And, because Jones is an idiot does not give license to others to behave in an evil manner by killing innocent people.
…You indicated the US needs to change our laws to accomodate the Muslim world’s tendency to react violently. I strongly disagree. Let the violent change their ways.
Absolutely on the mark.
 
When understanding, tolerance and respect is mutual, it’s a great thing! However, it is immoral and unethical when it’s not mutual. It’s a cruel mental exercise, at best.

Where Islam is concerned, it is not mutual. It’s all about the rest of the world understanding and accommodating Islam. It’s never the other way around.
 
Those people were not killed because of a stupid pastor in Florida. They were killed because a bunch of fanatic idiots are easily controlled by reckless and evil religious leaders. Would a clear thinking follower of Islam kill an innocent because someone else was blasphemous?
 
Those people were not killed because of a stupid pastor in Florida. They were killed because a bunch of fanatic idiots are easily controlled by reckless and evil religious leaders. Would a clear thinking follower of Islam kill an innocent because someone else was blasphemous?
Well if the act had never been done, maybe these people would still be alive and their families would not be grieving.
 
Those people were not killed because of a stupid pastor in Florida. They were killed because a bunch of fanatic idiots are easily controlled by reckless and evil religious leaders. Would a clear thinking follower of Islam kill an innocent because someone else was blasphemous?
Quite clearly they were reacting to the burning. Not burning holy texts is something they’re passionate about veteranstoday.com/2010/09/09/why-muslims-dare-not-burn-the-bible-in-return/ It doesn’t make these murders excusable, but there is some blame to be placed on the person provoking the incident.
 
The Pastor’s stuint was dumb, but that aside, these foolish murdering Muslims kind of made his point about their faith being barabric. Way to go, guys.
 
He knew something like this would happen. I wouldn’t want to face God after pulling a boneheaded move like this.
 
They kill Christians in Pakistan / Afghanistan / Iraq / India - for being Christian.
 
He knew something like this would happen. I wouldn’t want to face God after pulling a boneheaded move like this.
What, you mean killing innocent people because a complete stranger 4,000 miles away burned a book? I wouldn’t want to face God after that either.
 
Well if the act had never been done, maybe these people would still be alive and their families would not be grieving.
I can always blame someone if things go wrong in my life. I can always rationalize my bad behaviors. So what?

While the behavior of the pastor in Florida is idiotic. The fanatics used it only as a rationalization for their evil behaviors, this is not the cause but an a posteriori justification. The same kind of rationalization goes on in other countries when people do not like Christians and so they make up and kind of excuses to apply the blasphemy laws and kill them.
 
You cannot hold the pastor in Florida culpable for the emotional and intellectual defects of people in Afganistan.
You sure as hell can. Hate incites violence. This kind of malicious bigoted hate absolutely give some blame to the pastor.
They kill Christians in Pakistan / Afghanistan / Iraq / India - for being Christian.
So… what? Eye for an eye? They do say faith is blind…
 
I can always blame someone if things go wrong in my life. I can always rationalize my bad behaviors. So what?
So I guess you can blame people. Some people might even be deserving of that blame.
While the behavior of the pastor in Florida is idiotic.
Lets be fair, it was stupid. Idiotic might imply he didn’t know it would incite hate and rage.
The fanatics used it only as a rationalization for their evil behaviors, this is not the cause but an a posteriori justification.
Yes, they do. They get filled with rage and hate and take that anger out on innocent people. Knowing this, are you going to burn a Koran and let everyone know any time soon? This pastor absolutely claims some the blame.
The same kind of rationalization goes on in other countries when people do not like Christians and so they make up and kind of excuses to apply the blasphemy laws and kill them.
What’s your point? Don’t blame the pastor because they’ll “make up” excuses to kill Christians anyways? So just give free range to to this pastor’s hate speech? Doesn’t seem very Christian to me…
 
You sure as hell can. Hate incites violence. This kind of malicious bigoted hate absolutely give some blame to the pastor…
Yes, and you are talking about the butterfly effect. This is about rationalizing and making excuses. Just because the pastor must be blamed for his bad behaviors he should not be blamed for the death of innocents. He could be blamed for his own death but nothing more.

Would you blame the great looking women, walking around the neighborhood in a miniskirt, for someone sexually assaulting the neighbors’ young daughter?
 
You sure as hell can. Hate incites violence. This kind of malicious bigoted hate absolutely give some blame to the pastor.
Hate? Did the pastor hate the book? Interesting perspective. From his (and my) perspective burning the Koran is no more blasphemous or hateful than burning a copy of Dr. Suess’s Cat in the Hat, or a copy of Playboy magazine.
 
Yes, and you are talking about the butterfly effect. This is about rationalizing and making excuses. Just because the pastor must be blamed for his bad behaviors he should not be blamed for the death of innocents. He could be blamed for his own death but nothing more.
This isn’t a butterfly effect insofar as a butterfly wing will cause a hurricane in Japan. These killers very clearly reacted directly to the burning of their holy text. If the pastor didn’t commit this kind of hate speech those people would probably be alive today. When you can clearly see the effects of your actions then we’re past butterfly here.
 
Hate? Did the pastor hate the book?
I’m guessing he hated the people who read the book. Why else would you burn the Koran if not to dishearten its readers?
Interesting perspective. From his (and my) perspective burning the Koran is no more blasphemous or hateful than burning a copy of Dr. Suess’s Cat in the Hat, or a copy of Playboy magazine.
So you’re saying it’s ok to burn any book, like the bible? And that clearly, burning the bible in no way is directing hate towards Christians? That’ll be a tough to justify IMO.
 
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