Unam Sanctam... authoritative?

[JKirkLVNV]

Like I said, considering that, salvation outside of the Church is nigh impossible. Unless you die a martyr’s death (in which case all sins are forgiven through baptism of blood) or you are below the age of reason (in which case you cannot mortally sin anyway)

And strictly speaking (traditionalism must be slipping), the above isn’t quite correct, either, at least not according to Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence, which declared that the Church “firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart ‘into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Cf. Matthew 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practised, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Don’t let your miter get too tight, young one. The passage John quoted from the Catechism is founded on papal teaching. I’ve read similar quotes from the hand of Blessed Pius IX and Pius XII, of happy memory.

And while we’re becoming children, asking the Holy Father (last I checked, Benedict the XVI is currently our Holy Father), and being content with “his” answer (capital letters at the beginning of a pronoun are usually only accorded the Deity), we might want to check this, by a rather obscure cardinal of the Church: beliefnet.com/story/209/story_20936_1.html

Come on stop it. This is getting ridiculous. Can you ever make a comment without your insolent remarks?

“Dont let your miter get too tight young one”

Seriously…this is getting too far out of hand.
How many times do we have to bring the mods into this before you finally accept that…

1. Just because im young doesnt mean im an idiot.
2. Just because im a traditionalist doesnt make me an antipope.

Stop it, seriously, its highly offensive.

Weve spoken about it on several threads and even private messages.

JUST GIVE UP.

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Oh and by the way…

Educate yourself in some Church History a bit.
Traditionally Popes have been reffered to in the third person, and it has always been capitalized.

For example…a Pope might sign a document.

Pius X, in the first year of Our Pontificate.

Or address the faithful…

My Dear Faithful, We find this an oppurtune moment to address some of Our Concerns…etc. etc.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Come on stop it. This is getting ridiculous. Can you ever make a comment without your insolent remarks?

“Dont let your miter get too tight young one”

Seriously…this is getting too far out of hand.
How many times do we have to bring the mods into this before you finally accept that…

1. Just because im young doesnt mean im an idiot.
2. Just because im a traditionalist doesnt make me an antipope.

Stop it, seriously, its highly offensive.

Weve spoken about it on several threads and even private messages.

JUST GIVE UP.

…

Oh and by the way…

Educate yourself in some Church History a bit.
Traditionally Popes have been reffered to in the third person, and it has always been capitalized.

For example…a Pope might sign a document.

Pius X, in the first year of Our Pontificate.

Or address the faithful…

My Dear Faithful, We find this an oppurtune moment to address some of Our Concerns…etc. etc.

Well, I’m glad that’s a tradition that’s died out. I like it applied only to the Diety.

Report me to the mods, if you find what I say offensive (I’ve yet to receive an admonition from them). I didn’t say you were an idiot. You could avoid such problems if you avoided the tendency to pontificate (“be content with his answer!”). Honestly, you deserve to be called on the carpet for it. The truth is slightly more nuanced than you would care to admit. The CCC IS “a sure norm” for the teaching of the faith.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Well, I’m glad that’s a tradition that’s died out. I like it applied only to the Diety.

Report me to the mods, if you find what I say offensive (I’ve yet to receive an admonition from them). I didn’t say you were isolent (but I think you’re are, since you brought it up, dismissing the CCC’s clear explication of the teaching that went before). You could avoid such problems if you avoided the tendency to pontificate (“be content with his answer!”). Honestly, you deserve to be called on the carpet for it. The truth is slightly more nuanced than you would care to admit. The CCC IS “a sure norm” for the teaching of the faith.

I have…over and over again.

Im not going to waste breath on this.

You know what…reading your posts really make me feel like ****.

I hope your happy with yourself.

I was having an interesting discussion, and now im to disgusted to even come back.

So im stepping out of this.

I dont know why you take pleasure in bringing up my age.

Do you get some sort of morbid satisfaction in frustrating other people.

Seriously, its bothering me.

I dont think im going to even post in this forum anymore.

And most likely your thinking “Good Riddance”

Just one less crazy Traditionalist anti-pope to deal with.

Gosh…I dont know.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

I have…over and over again.

Im not going to waste breath on this.

You know what…reading your posts really make me feel like ****.

I hope your happy with yourself.

I was having an interesting discussion, and now im to disgusted to even come back.

So im stepping out of this.

I dont know why you take pleasure in bringing up my age.

Do you get some sort of morbid satisfaction in frustrating other people.

Seriously, its bothering me.

I dont think im going to even post in this forum anymore.

And most likely your thinking “Good Riddance”

Just one less crazy Traditionalist anti-pope to deal with.

Gosh…I dont know.

You INVITE it, Missa! You go on and on, casting aspersions on the Church, on the Mass (you’ve said more than once that the NO is an “abomination”), and on the Vicars of Christ on Earth. As I’ve told you in our private emails, I’ve every right to ask “by what authority do you do this?” And I’ve every right to point out that you are a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT (you’re the one who let it out) who thinks he’s obviously in a position to sit in judgement on men whose shoes neither you nor I are worthy to scrape clean. I take no pleasure in bringing up your age, but I’m #$%^$ if I’m going to sit by and let you do what you do without a challenge. I’m a Catholic and it’s my obligation to defend the Church.

And you weren’t having an interesting discussion, you were pontificating (“be content with His answer”).

 

[Sola_Roma]

You INVITE it, Missa! You go on and on, casting aspersions on the Church, on the Mass (you’ve said more than once that the NO is an “abomination”), and on the Vicars of Christ on Earth. As I’ve told you in our private emails, I’ve every right to ask “by what authority do you do this?” And I’ve every right to point out that you are a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT (you’re the one who let it out) who thinks he’s obviously in a position to sit in judgement on men whose shoes neither you nor I are worthy to scrape clean. I take no pleasure in bringing up your age, but I’m #$%^$ if I’m going to sit by and let you do what you do without a challenge. I’m a Catholic and it’s my obligation to defend the Church.

And you weren’t having an interesting discussion, you were pontificating (“be content with His answer”).

Holy Mary.

You miss the spirit of discussion entirely.

In fact…you miss the christian spirit in its entirety to.

I know the person behind Missa Solemnis…hes one of my best and oldest friends.

I dont care what the mods do to me…but your comments (the majority of which are not on this thread…but on threads long deleted and hushed up) are comments id expect from a sadistic slavemaster towards his worthless vermin servants.

Who is the one pontificating?

You point your fingers at people who disagree with you, and attack them where it hurts then turn around and call them rude.

Your a sick person. A shame to Catholicism. A bitter, rude, excuse for a human being.

Oh and moderators.

BAN ME!

You have NO RIGHT…NO RIGHT AT ALL
wether or not your 1 or 100 years old
To bash somone who actually has the time for religion in a world that has forgotten about it…for simply having his own religious beliefs.

You wouldnt do it to a protestant…but youd do it to a Catholic. Thats sad…

God Have Mercy on you…

 

[Joe_Monahan]

The thread is closed pending Mod review.

Joe Monahan