Underestimating American Collapse

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Gertabelle:
I actually resent that comment.
Thank you for your work as an education professional. “American collapse” is a very broad, complicated topic, with no simple solution, with many variables and exceptions.

I am a retired Child Protection Worker. Even though I post often on the “conservative” side on social issues, especially related to (forgotten) strengths of marriage and family, I deeply respect the work of education and human service professionals doing the best they can in a situation they did not make. I hope I made a difference, and I am sure you do now.
Thank you for your work as well! (and for the kind words 🙂 )
Thankyou Gertie and @commenter for caring about those kids who’ve come into your lives, especially the vulnerable and most damaged ones. I’m sure it’s often hard to see results, but thanks so much to both of you!
 
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The West is headed to destruction.

What can we do? We need an increase in faith. Knowing the value of human life.
 
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Gertabelle:
Nope. And as a union member, I actually resent that comment.
Tuff nuggies, the news articles on the topic make it clear the unions have been consistently putting their muscle and money behind the push for govt funded pre-school.

Just because the union in your state isn’t following the norm, it doesn’t mean you can assume your experience represents the country.

I am against this approach because I don’t think it solves problems. We should help the parents be better parents, and instruct and bond with their child at this age. I also recall the research on Head Start showed the benefits were more temporary than long lasting. That’s why I’d like the focus to be on parents being better parents rather than replacing them with more school time.
“Help parents be better parents” – brilliant idea! I am on board 100%.

What do you suggest we do first?
 
“Help parents be better parents” – brilliant idea! I am on board 100%.

What do you suggest we do first?
If we are focused on the poor, I’d say jobs and access to affordable daycare is the main/easy thing to target.
  • low unemployment helps them find work
  • affordable daycare helps take the pressure off.
When you look at Govt Pre-school, it’s just expensive daycare. It may be free to the parents but it’s far from cheap.

Cheaper pre-schools would require simplifying the onerous regulations that all but shut out small operators. It’s easy to guess who’s lobbyist wrote the regulations. Yea, the individual operators don’t hire lobbyists.

Making them better parents is the most critical aspect, but also very challenging. Perhaps access to daycare subsidies would come with completing some parent education. Anyway, a daycare subsidy can be done for much less than govt preschools on a per/student cost.
 
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Hello.

Thank you for the reminder about how transitory this life on earth is.
 
If we are focused on the poor, I’d say jobs and access to affordable daycare is the main/easy thing to target.
  • low unemployment helps them find work
  • affordable daycare helps take the pressure off.
When you look at Govt Pre-school, it’s just expensive daycare. It may be free to the parents but it’s far from cheap.

Cheaper pre-schools would require simplifying the onerous regulations that all but shut out small operators. It’s easy to guess who’s lobbyist wrote the regulations. Yea, the individual operators don’t hire lobbyists.

Making them better parents is the most critical aspect, but also very challenging. Perhaps access to daycare subsidies would come with completing some parent education. Anyway, a daycare subsidy can be done for much less than govt preschools on a per/student cost.
This sort of sounds good, but as a parent who had to look far and wide to find acceptable daycare for my son when he was little, I can tell you affordability will not make things better.

I saw sooooo many horrible daycares. Some were institutions – staffed by people making minimum wage (I was one of them when I was in college). Some were unlicensed home daycares. And some were licensed daycares.

Affordability didn’t matter to me – not that I was making some huge income, but I was willing to cut back on every other expense to make sure my child was well-cared for.

The parents at our school who use the preschools are able to drop kids off and pick them up 3 hours later – clearly it’s not being used as daycare while they work!

I work in a very impoverished area. We also have regular gang and drug violence (same thing usually). There’s rampant homelessness; one year we had 27 families who were homeless.

And how exactly do you propose to help the unemployed/underemployed find jobs that can support their families? Of the families that include two parents (usually our immigrant families), the dad usually works two or three low-paying jobs while the moms stay home to work. In families that include grandparents, both parents will work multiple jobs.

We deal with real people, not just numbers and theories. And the situations are way more complicated than simply saying “find work” and “affordable daycare.”

If the problem is parents who are distant, uninvolved, self-absorbed, drug-addicted, or similar, then the problem crosses all demographics and won’t be solved by any government intervention.

Yeah, having a job and affordable daycare helps with the material needs of life. But personally, I think the root of our damaged young people is spiritual. And no regulation or legislation can fix that.
 
Formerly stable Christian communities in the Middle East have been destroyed.
 
That’s not exactly on purpose. And most of those populations have migrated to other countries.

Besides, what were we supposed to do? Not hold governments accountable for harboring agents of terrorism?
 
That’s not exactly on purpose.
It isn’t? I think you underestimate just how much those who are in charge hate Christianity.
Besides, what were we supposed to do? Not hold governments accountable for harboring agents of terrorism?
Yep, not be the world police. Close up our borders. Protect our land here. The terrorism is a result of US foreign policy. It is from meddling in others affairs (thus instigating it) or manufactured. US foreign policy creates resentment. Besides that we back terrorists and make them stronger. Or maybe the side we backed doesn’t follow our orders so we label them terrorists.

Actually the best proof the US military is a force against Christianity is to visit a military town. They are often the word Trump used. They are full of porn and sex shops, pawn shows, and strip clubs. They have horribly high crime and generally aren’t places you want to live.
 
You should spend some time among actual enlisted and officers.
 
Because you seem to have a very low opinion on the morality of the people that actually make up the military. It is not one big hive mind where they all are acting in concert to undermine Christianity. I’d hazard that there’s maybe a small percentage that would even qualify as atheist. The majority are normal people with normal beliefs, not part of a sinister cabal.
 
I do think the military as a whole does have lower morals than the rest of society, if that can be believed. That doesn’t mean I think that is true for everyone in the military.

The enlisted man is part of the cabal. He may not know this. He doesn’t plot and plan. He follows the orders from up top.
 
No, I’m not an expert on daycare but I’m confident that a focus to make it more affordable would yield results, it would help. Your comments sound very defeatist.
  • I suggested a careful review of the regulations would help increase the number of providers. More providers means competition and more choice. Many people struggle to find any provider, let alone pick one they like. Regulations now clearly favor the corporate provider.
  • you introduced employer operated daycare, which is a great approach. What can we do to make it more mainstream?
  • other options to help with daycare are also available, if the lobbyists are not writing the rules.
What does the crime and homelessness in your area have to do with this discussion? It seems an emotional appeal without clear relevance.

I not shifting the discussion to one about how to reduce unemployment, I’m only saying that it should be a key focus. Full employment is when minorities and the homeless are finally able to find work, they are often the last hired in the labor pool.

I deal with real people by the way. I volunteer in a middle school and work at an at-risk shelter for Foster kids, the ones who can’t get placements.
If the problem is parents who are distant, uninvolved, self-absorbed, drug-addicted, or similar, then the problem crosses all demographics and won’t be solved by any government intervention.

Yeah, having a job and affordable daycare helps with the material needs of life. But personally, I think the root of our damaged young people is spiritual. And no regulation or legislation can fix that.
I disagree with your “if” premise on the problem, you lumped every parental fault together as if they are the same, and though problems cross demographics, they are not the same across the spectrum.

I agree that we’ve lost a spiritual element that is very important. I don’t know how to remedy given the current liberal climate which seems anti-spiritual.
 
I agree that we’ve lost a spiritual element that is very important. I don’t know how to remedy given the current liberal climate which seems anti-spiritual.
Our current climate is pro “bad-spiritual” rather than anti-spiritual. It was building up gradually, consider Nietsche, followed by George Bernard Shaw and his “Life Force”. Starting around 1970 the New Age Movement boosted Spirituality not as a road to God, but as a road to…other roads.

Bad spirituality is all over the place in the West. We have psychic friends phone services, lots of books about angels (nothing to do with the angels of Christianity) and almost a preoccupation (not caution) with the devil. One feature of bad spirituality is an emphasis on transformation, and an absence of conversion.

If you tell someone they are becoming more spiritual, they will think you are complimenting them, and say “Thank you!”. If you tell someone they are learning more dogmas, they will think you are insulting them, because the bad spirituality is anti-dogma.

Pere Teihard de Chardin, SJ, was a good priest but the misuse of his writings after his death will do more damage than 100 Dawkins.
 
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I humbly disagree.

In their lives people do mature spiritually, regardless of their professed religion.
I think a sincere engagement in any major religion will serve as a guide on that journey.
I think Christ’s teachings and the Catholic Church are an immense aid on said journey.

I think people without an organized religion flounder on their journey, which is where ‘new age’ concepts and other things step in to give them some structure or guidance to follow. I agree the books etc you mention are very weak on guidance that will cause reflection and repentance.
 
I do think the military as a whole does have lower morals than the rest of society, if that can be believed. That doesn’t mean I think that is true for everyone in the military.
I see where this is coming from. There’s a lot of hearsay on alcohol-fuelled rowdy and lewd behaviour connected with militaries.
They may risk their lives fighting for their countries and they are rightly praised for that but that doesn’t make them above criticism on morality. No one is. ‘Boys will be boys’ doesn’t cut it. First, they’re not boys, they’re men. Second, morality is what makes a society function.
 
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  1. Let us not fool ourselves, America will collapse, all nations do. The important questions are how, when, and why. 2. It is in these times that I remember Bishop Fulton Sheen’s talks about the Fourth Great Crisis of the Church and Revelation. Here are the links:
 
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