Understanding homosexuality

[Frankr409]

OP—Some may find your comments about estrogen in the water as a possible factor to be humorous or stupid. I think not; it’s clear that our environment is getting impacted in many ways by many different chemicals and also because we are raising children to be more sedentary (witness the new peanut allergies).

There may be an environmental influence here. As well as a broader social one: our gender roles are just not as important or impactful as they once were.

I’ve searched and searched, and there’s precious little real science going on about the formation of homosexual tendencies.

Mustang: you say at 10 you felt “different”. This is a word I’ve commonly seen used by homosexuals to describe the phenomenon. Can you be more precise?

Call me what ever name you want to but I also believe that the estrogen in the birth control pills finds its way back into the water supply and without a doubt is the root cause behind the explosion of LGBT individuals, as well as males who are no longer masculine. Our sins have come right back to nip us in the butt.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

*I do not want to be biased or judgmental but I need to understand this fully.

1. Some people try to say that it is genetic but I have heard Doctors say that this is not so.*

I am accursed with same-sex attractions, but I do not believe I was “born this way.” There is nothing in my outward appearance that would indicate, except that I am obese, that I am any different, physically, than other men. My temperament, which is highly sensitive, does predispose me towards possibly developing same sex attractions and has done so in my case, see #2 below.

I2. It is said that sometimes it is conditioned by the home environment yet one finds families with several children all experiencing the same family life yet one will be homosexual and the others not.

This is where temperament comes in, but there are also other factors. In my case, my mom somehow got me to believe than men are gross and my dad really didn’t seem to like me (there’s a difference between love and like – he loved me, but I don’t think he liked me). As a result, I had little to no self-confidence. Even though my parents cajoled me to have more self-confidence, I never really developed much. Considering their actions and words didn’t match, they had little credibility (i.e., my mom says something nice to me and I think, ‘of course she’s going to say that, it’s her job as my mother’). When I went out into the world, I never really made any good friends as a kid. I though I was making a good friend once over the summer, but he told me on no uncertain terms that he couldn’t be seen with me at school, so we couldn’t be friends anymore. As a result, I turned out with a disordered sexuality…and I hate myself for it.

My younger brother, who I believe was favored over me, turned out straight, and has three kids. His relationships were rather disordered, but his sexually is rightly ordered as he is exclusively straight.

3. I once saw a programme on television where a man with SSA said that he was also an atheist but now that he is converted he realizes that this is his cross and opted for celibacy.

Yes, this is the curse of same-sex attractions. The perpetual, non-consecrated single life, or in real-world language, “unholy loneliness forever.”

Add this to the mix. Since same-sex attraction is a sexuality which is intrinsically and/or objectively disordered, it cannot be offered up as a sacrifice which God will accept. He only accepts pure and unspotted sacrifices. The objectively disordered nature of same-sex attractions is a fatal defect in offering them up, thus, they add an extra burden to the soul which is same-sex attracted because their struggle, being full of defect and disorder, gains them no merit whatsoever.

*I would like to hear from everybody, especially Christians with SSA.

Thank you
God bless
Cinette*

You have my thoughts. As someone on these very boards said, “same-sex attraction can never lead to anything good” and I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Cinette]

I am accursed with same-sex attractions, but I do not believe I was “born this way.” There is nothing in my outward appearance that would indicate, except that I am obese, that I am any different, physically, than other men. My temperament, which is highly sensitive, does predispose me towards possibly developing same sex attractions and has done so in my case, see #2 below.

This is where temperament comes in, but there are also other factors. In my case, my mom somehow got me to believe than men are gross and my dad really didn’t seem to like me (there’s a difference between love and like – he loved me, but I don’t think he liked me). As a result, I had little to no self-confidence. Even though my parents cajoled me to have more self-confidence, I never really developed much. Considering their actions and words didn’t match, they had little credibility (i.e., my mom says something nice to me and I think, ‘of course she’s going to say that, it’s her job as my mother’). When I went out into the world, I never really made any good friends as a kid. I though I was making a good friend once over the summer, but he told me on no uncertain terms that he couldn’t be seen with me at school, so we couldn’t be friends anymore. As a result, I turned out with a disordered sexuality…and I hate myself for it.

My younger brother, who I believe was favored over me, turned out straight, and has three kids. His relationships were rather disordered, but his sexually is rightly ordered as he is exclusively straight.

Yes, this is the curse of same-sex attractions. The perpetual, non-consecrated single life, or in real-world language, “unholy loneliness forever.”

Add this to the mix. Since same-sex attraction is a sexuality which is intrinsically and/or objectively disordered, it cannot be offered up as a sacrifice which God will accept. He only accepts pure and unspotted sacrifices. The objectively disordered nature of same-sex attractions is a fatal defect in offering them up, thus, they add an extra burden to the soul which is same-sex attracted because their struggle, being full of defect and disorder, gains them no merit whatsoever.

You have my thoughts. As someone on these very boards said, “same-sex attraction can never lead to anything good” and I wholeheartedly agree.

*I have to rush off to an appointment which will last all morning. However I want to say to you that my first impression of your post is that you are angry, frustrated, hurt, lacking in confidence and a lot more.

I cannot say to you don’t - you are damaging yourself. That would be too simplistic.

All I can say to you is get to know your faith better and pray about this. Don’t let it get the better of you. FIGHT IT!

I bet you are intelligent - more than average anyway. Well then, take it one day at a time - pray and place your trust in God totally. To be “poor in spirit” is to know that we are totally dependant on God, that without Him we can do nothing. So reach out to Him and pray with all your heart. Do not rely on your own understanding of anything. Look to Him.

God bless you
Cinette*

 

[Captain_America]

LCMSno more: it’s good to hear your background. I’m extremely confused (and not a little upset) that with all our magnificent universities and extensive grant expenditures just have not really come up with many definite answers about homosexual development. It boggles me, particularly given all the attention to the subject.

Where’s the science?

I think our parents heavily influence; that’s my guess. In my case, I was for many years pretty shy around women. My mother inadvertently raised me this way; she’d been groped on a playground and was very reticent about sex and sexuality. Took me a while to realize that women have a sexual interest. As I mentioned above I had a bad move, which was compounded by my first few close friends themselves moving away. It was all unpleasant. Add an alcoholic father to the mix. Glad that’s all over.

Our environment helped to SHAPE us, and as noted above, it continues to quietly work upon us, for better or worse. I think one very perceptive thing about Catholic dogma (what an accursed word, eh?) is the notion of an “occasion of sin” or situation in which we know it’s more likely we will sin. . . and thus should avoid. I think that fairly represents human frailty, and helpfully warns us.

re: environment. The vast and unchecked growth of pornography hurts everybody. It emphasizes our mere sexual dimension out of place to its real importance. And of course the media around us does as well. I turn it all off. Best to deal with real people.

And interestingly, most social environments in America that I’ve been in are rather more caring than damning when it comes to homosexuals. And perhaps there’s even a tendency to overdo it, and “specialize” homosexuals as “cases” that require more formal concern. I’m not confident that that’s really a good thing either. Better to just be treated decently than with people pulling on kid gloves.

 

[chrysostim83]

Yes, this is the curse of same-sex attractions. The perpetual, non-consecrated single life, or in real-world language, “unholy loneliness forever.”

Add this to the mix. Since same-sex attraction is a sexuality which is intrinsically and/or objectively disordered, it cannot be offered up as a sacrifice which God will accept. He only accepts pure and unspotted sacrifices. The objectively disordered nature of same-sex attractions is a fatal defect in offering them up, thus, they add an extra burden to the soul which is same-sex attracted because their struggle, being full of defect and disorder, gains them no merit whatsoever.

You have my thoughts. As someone on these very boards said, “same-sex attraction can never lead to anything good” and I wholeheartedly agree.

Hi LCMS_No_More,

It sounds like you’re saying that God doesn’t really care about you and that He’s not pleased by your sincere desire to please Him. That’s a pretty disturbing thought, so let’s take a closer look at what you wrote about sacrifice:

First, the only sacrifice that has ever satisfied God was the sacrifice of His only Son on the Cross, and so the sacrifices we make can only please Him when they participate in the Passion and Death of Our Lord. Now, can the hardship and suffering you experience because of your same-sex attractions take part in the Cross in this way? Absolutely! Didn’t the CDF say just that in 1986?

Second, it seems like you’re afraid that your celibacy and sexual abstinence are worthless, or a least, less worthy than the celibacy and abstinence of straight folks. I don’t think that’s correct. Certainly, you can find people who argue that celibacy is good because it is the sacrifice of a healthy sexuality, but the main sacrifice involved in celibacy is close companionship with another human being and the joys and hardships of raising a family. So, I would ask, has your commitment to celibacy made you give up these things? Surely, you’ve given up the close companionship part, and that’s where most of hardship and merit lie, since it means you must rely on the God rather than other human beings.

Third, even if the celibacy of gay persons isn’t good for the same reasons as the celibacy of straight persons, that doesn’t mean the two aren’t equal in value. Unfortunately, all the writing and thinking on this subject has been done with the assumption that everyone is straight, and, as laughable and stupid as that assumption is, it just means we might not know very much about how celibacy and abstinence apply to gay men and lesbian women.

Finally, it seems like your self confidence stuff is leaking into your thoughts about this. Don’t be afraid of what God has done or is doing in your life. Nobody really understands His choices, and it can seem like He sometimes does terrible things to us, but the one thing that’s more certain than anything else in this life, is that He loves us, He has a plan for us, and He is doing everything He can to draw us into He everlasting kingdom.

 

[Cinette]

Hi LCMS_No_More,

It sounds like you’re saying that God doesn’t really care about you and that He’s not pleased by your sincere desire to please Him. That’s a pretty disturbing thought, so let’s take a closer look at what you wrote about sacrifice:

First, the only sacrifice that has ever satisfied God was the sacrifice of His only Son on the Cross, and so the sacrifices we make can only please Him when they participate in the Passion and Death of Our Lord. Now, can the hardship and suffering you experience because of your same-sex attractions take part in the Cross in this way? Absolutely! Didn’t the CDF say just that in 1986?

Second, it seems like you’re afraid that your celibacy and sexual abstinence are worthless, or a least, less worthy than the celibacy and abstinence of straight folks. I don’t think that’s correct. Certainly, you can find people who argue that celibacy is good because it is the sacrifice of a healthy sexuality, but the main sacrifice involved in celibacy is close companionship with another human being and the joys and hardships of raising a family. So, I would ask, has your commitment to celibacy made you give up these things? Surely, you’ve given up the close companionship part, and that’s where most of hardship and merit lie, since it means you must rely on the God rather than other human beings.

Third, even if the celibacy of gay persons isn’t good for the same reasons as the celibacy of straight persons, that doesn’t mean the two aren’t equal in value. Unfortunately, all the writing and thinking on this subject has been done with the assumption that everyone is straight, and, as laughable and stupid as that assumption is, it just means we might not know very much about how celibacy and abstinence apply to gay men and lesbian women.

Finally, it seems like your self confidence stuff is leaking into your thoughts about this. Don’t be afraid of what God has done or is doing in your life. Nobody really understands His choices, and it can seem like He sometimes does terrible things to us, but the one thing that’s more certain than anything else in this life, is that He loves us, He has a plan for us, and He is doing everything He can to draw us into He everlasting kingdom.

*Your post is really very thought provoking and needs to be read again.

One thing that struck a cord is the mention of how God loves us. I was well into my 40s before I began to understand how important it is to realise this. Jesus’ entire life and sacrifice is all about love for all the world and we need to contemplate this. As we understand we begin to see that our lives have meaning and we need to accept our cross and sufferings. We need to use our suffering to benefit ourselves and others.

God bless you
Cinette*

 

[Kolbe300]

Hi LCMS_No_More,

It sounds like you’re saying that God doesn’t really care about you and that He’s not pleased by your sincere desire to please Him. That’s a pretty disturbing thought, so let’s take a closer look at what you wrote about sacrifice:

First, the only sacrifice that has ever satisfied God was the sacrifice of His only Son on the Cross, and so the sacrifices we make can only please Him when they participate in the Passion and Death of Our Lord. Now, can the hardship and suffering you experience because of your same-sex attractions take part in the Cross in this way? Absolutely! Didn’t the CDF say just that in 1986?

Second, it seems like you’re afraid that your celibacy and sexual abstinence are worthless, or a least, less worthy than the celibacy and abstinence of straight folks. I don’t think that’s correct. Certainly, you can find people who argue that celibacy is good because it is the sacrifice of a healthy sexuality, but the main sacrifice involved in celibacy is close companionship with another human being and the joys and hardships of raising a family. So, I would ask, has your commitment to celibacy made you give up these things? Surely, you’ve given up the close companionship part, and that’s where most of hardship and merit lie, since it means you must rely on the God rather than other human beings.

Third, even if the celibacy of gay persons isn’t good for the same reasons as the celibacy of straight persons, that doesn’t mean the two aren’t equal in value. Unfortunately, all the writing and thinking on this subject has been done with the assumption that everyone is straight, and, as laughable and stupid as that assumption is, it just means we might not know very much about how celibacy and abstinence apply to gay men and lesbian women.

Finally, it seems like your self confidence stuff is leaking into your thoughts about this. Don’t be afraid of what God has done or is doing in your life. Nobody really understands His choices, and it can seem like He sometimes does terrible things to us, but the one thing that’s more certain than anything else in this life, is that He loves us, He has a plan for us, and He is doing everything He can to draw us into He everlasting kingdom.

That is a beautiful post, thank you.

Peace,
Kolbe

 

[cristyd]

Jesus,our Lords peace be with You.
Dear friend. Understanding it is not importent,to accept it is. We must love them as we need to love all people because Jesus did love all,even the sinners,and we must pray for those who are so that they will keep on living in celibacy as each singel person must. Understanding is not the key to anything,loving is,and we must love all with the same love Jesus teached us to love. I once watched a child with Down-syndrome,and I thought,“he is perfect in Gods eyes,so therefor he must be perfect also in ours”. God never create anything “just because”,when we know that,we don’t need to do moore then love all.

I agree with you only about the love. However , in my opinion, wanting to understand doesn’t mean that you don’t love. Having a lesbian sister i completely know why Cinnette wants to understand. I love my sister with all my heart and i would do anything for her, but i can’t stop wishing to understand what is in her mind and what determined her to be like this.

I don’t know if this is genetic or not, and this will we never know maybe. The truth is there are some people that all their lives are atracted to the same sex and they can’t change it.

I tend to agree more with the enviornment. I know that there are people from the same enviorment, one will turn homosexual and the others not. But i guess everybody is influenced by the enviorment in his own way. Some people are weaker, some are stronger, some will deal with their problems, some will not.

In my case, both my sister and me had to deal with a dominant father, who thought that everything he said was correct and the rest are stupid and must listen to him. he was forcing us to choose the career that he wants, he made decsions in our name, he treated and still treats my mother sometimes like a servant. He just sits and waits for everything to be brought under his nose.

I was suffering from this and still suffer from lack of confidence. I am always afraid that my idea or what i do is not correct because of the constant mockery of my father. Maybe my sister was disgusted and lives with the impression that all men are like this.
I don’t want to put the blame on anybody, i love my sister as i love my father. I understand that what he did was also because of family enviorment. He was raised by my grandmother with the idea that the man is the king of the castle and he actually thought that by constantly mocking us he is pushing us to be better.

 

[cjforJesus]

“Call me what ever name you want to but I also believe that the estrogen in the birth control pills finds its way back into the water supply and without a doubt is the root cause behind the explosion of LGBT individuals, as well as males who are no longer masculine. Our sins have come right back to nip us in the butt” (quote)

I also believe this is a factor as is the widespread use of certain plastics which contain a chemical which mimics estrogen.Excessive exposure has been know to cause effects in utero. i cannot name any studies offhand but I am sure the possibility is very real and also could refer to the “sins of the fathers”. Plastic consumption is astronomical in much of what the average consumer uses is packaged in plastic to protect and preserve.

 

[Cinette]

*Those who live in a body with the opposite gender from their minds - transsexuals - may be victims of the plastic physical environment. I know I sound like I don’t know what I am talking about but I do believe that the planet has been contaminated and this could well be the cause of many defects to those who consume water and plants which are not the way they were meant to be.

As for parents who have a negative influence on their children, I guess a sensitive child may well succumb to overpowering parents.

My one daughter has four children and I regret that I never had her baptised (I was away from the Church for many years). Her husband insists he does not want the children going to Church etc. Yet as parents they are excellent and their interaction with their children is very good. That and our prayers (my atheist husband is now a daily communicant!!!) may result in a good Christian family one day. My daughter and her husband put their children first and just live for them and there is a lot of love and fun in the home. My son-in-law’s brother is homosexual and I know they come from a disfunctional family. There were 4 children of a theatrical family and the father was an alcoholic - my son-in-law is one (and so is his brother) and went into rehab 3 times and the last time he made a firm decision he would not drink anymore as he saw what it did to the children - since then they had 2 more children and he has not touched a drink. I admire him for that.

I am rambling… sorry. Just added a detail.

Cinette
*

 

[The_Word]

*I do not want to be biased or judgmental but I need to understand this fully.

1. Some people try to say that it is genetic but I have heard Doctors say that this is not so.
2. It is said that sometimes it is conditioned by the home environment yet one finds families with several children all experiencing the same family life yet one will be homosexual and the others not.
3. I once saw a programme on television where a man with SSA said that he was also an atheist but now that he is converted he realizes that this is his cross and opted for celibacy.

I would like to hear from everybody, especially Christians with SSA.

Thank you
God bless
Cinette*

Before anything could exist in the physical world, God had to make plans and create in the heavenly world. Before any plans were made, God had eternity to think about these plans. So just like a designer/builder who visualizes everything long before the building is complete, thoughts were required and then a plan has to be made. Once the plan is finished with all the details on it for the builders and sub-contractors then it can be built according to the plans.

God sees the eternal existence of his creation before he ever made plans. God is only thoughts and in those thoughts is where he made his plans. He needed light to create images out of his thoughts and that’s why he created light energy. This light energy, also known as the Word, was used to create everything according to his plans, or the will of God. Then it was used for the formation of atoms to build a physical world according the created images. It was also the power to put everything into action with all the various forces in play.

These images include inanimate creations and the living ones for God’s people, animals, plants, birds, fish, etc. All the information of our lives are in this image and this is how we’re going to live out our lives forever. When we’re conceived in the womb of our mother, we receive DNA from each parent’s seed, the sperm and the egg. Ever since man existed, we’ve had genetic sins in our DNA.

These genetic sins, or dysfunctional traits, gives power to make our flesh to do things that keep us from knowing who our created images are. We end up focusing on our flesh rather than who we are in God. Everyone was born with the sin of pride, which in a sinful world like we live in, it is a very necessary sin to have. This protects the individual with fear that helps him cope with life. Lust was needed for procreation to populate the world. Greed was necessary to keep lazy people working. Jealousy and envy were needed to help keep the population controlled by starting wars and killing people. Gluttony produced obesity, drugs and other addictions.

God created sinners as men, both male and female. However, the genetic sins in our DNA, wouldn’t allow man to be born with two bodies of the opposite sex, which will happen in paradise. We were born with one body having the genes of both male and female. When a child is born, he doesn’t realize he has these genetic dysfunctions in his flesh but as he grows older and starts to take in information with his senses, he starts to realize his fleshly needs and desires. Sometimes they become adults before they realize these things but normally, by the time they’re well into their teens, they have figured out what these desires are.

I was eleven years old when I first drank enough alcohol to get drunk and I knew at that moment, I liked it. It did something to me that was fantastic and by the age of 16, I was a full blown alcoholic. I never wanted to be an alcoholic but that’s what God planned for me to be. With this in mind about our bodies being both male and female, we can easily see bodies that appear male but with these genetic dysfunctions, they have sexual desires for other males or vice versa with females desiring other females.

There are many people who appear male and are very feminine but are sexually attracted to females. There are females who look masculine but are attracted to males. We have males and females who are sexually attracted to animals as well as being attracted to children. All these desires come from the genetic sin traits of our DNA that’s in each cell of our bodies. We can’t change anything about who we are and that’s why we were commanded not to bear false witness against our neighbors. In other words, don’t judge each other because we all have genetic sins in our flesh. We’re all doomed to death as the law states, the penalty of sin is death.

There are a few of us who died to our genetic sins while we we’re living in the flesh because God changed them to stop the power to deceive our thoughts. But this was only possible because of Jesus dying in the flesh for the forgiveness of sins. This required obedience to the spoken Word until God made us sinless. This was all according to God’s plans and no decisions on our part. We just obeyed his commands and ended up knowing who we are as the Word of God. All the prophets, Jesus and us saints die in the flesh, too. No flesh will ever leave this age into the next age to come. None of these genetic problems will exist in paradise so we’ll function perfectly for the rest of eternity according to the plans of God, or will of God.

 

[cjforJesus]

Before anything could exist in the physical world, God had to make plans and create in the heavenly world. Before any plans were made, God had eternity to think about these plans. So just like a designer/builder who visualizes everything long before the building is complete, thoughts were required and then a plan has to be made. Once the plan is finished with all the details on it for the builders and sub-contractors then it can be built according to the plans.

God sees the eternal existence of his creation before he ever made plans. God is only thoughts and in those thoughts is where he made his plans. He needed light to create images out of his thoughts and that’s why he created light energy. This light energy, also known as the Word, was used to create everything according to his plans, or the will of God. Then it was used for the formation of atoms to build a physical world according the created images. It was also the power to put everything into action with all the various forces in play.

These images include inanimate crea and the living ones for God’s people, animals, plants, birds, fish, etc. All the information of our lives are in this image and this is how we’re going to live out our lives forever. When we’re conceived in the womb of our mother, we receive DNA from each parent’s seed, the sperm and the egg. Ever since man existed, we’ve had genetic sins in our DNA.

These genetic sins, or dysfunctional traits, gives power to make our flesh to do things that keep us from knowing who our created images are. We end up focusing on our flesh rather than who we are in God. Everyone was born with the sin of pride, which in a sinful world like we live in, it is a very necessary sin to have. This protects the individual with fear that helps him cope with life. Lust was needed for procreation to populate the world. Greed was necessary to keep lazy people working. Jealousy and envy were needed to help keep the population controlled by starting wars and killing people. Gluttony produced obesity, drugs and other addictions.

God created sinners as men, both male and female. However, the genetic sins in our DNA, wouldn’t allow man to be born with two bodies of the opposite sex, which will happen in paradise. We were born with one body having the genes of both male and female. When a child is born, he doesn’t realize he has these genetic dysfunctions in his flesh but as he grows older and starts to take in information with his senses, he starts to realize his fleshly needs and desires. Sometimes they become adults before they realize these things but normally, by the time they’re well into their teens, they have figured out what these desires are.

I was eleven years old when I first drank enough alcohol to get drunk and I knew at that moment, I liked it. It did something to me that was fantastic and by the age of 16, I was a full blown alcoholic. I never wanted to be an alcoholic but that’s what God planned for me to be. With this in mind about our bodies being both male and female, we can easily see bodies that appear male but with these genetic dysfunctions, they have sexual desires for other males or vice versa with females desiring other females.

There are many people who appear male and are very feminine but are sexually attracted to females. There are females who look masculine but are attracted to males. We have males and females who are sexually attracted to animals as well as being attracted to children. All these desires come from the genetic sin traits of our DNA that’s in each cell of our bodies. We can’t change anything about who we are and that’s why we were commanded not to bear false witness against our neighbors. In other words, don’t judge each other because we all have genetic sins in our flesh. We’re all doomed to death as the law states, the penalty of sin is death.

There are a few of us who died to our genetic sins while we we’re living in the flesh because God changed them to stop the power to deceive our thoughts. But this was only possible because of Jesus dying in the flesh for the forgiveness of sins. This required obedience to the spoken Word until God made us sinless. This was all according to God’s plans and no decisions on our part. We just obeyed his commands and ended up knowing who we are as the Word of God. All the prophets, Jesus and us saints die in the flesh, too. No flesh will ever leave this age into the next age to come. None of these genetic problems will exist in paradise so we’ll function perfectly for the rest of eternity according to the plans of God, or will of God.

Original sin is washed away in baptism,and the path to God is total submission to His will.

 

[edwest2]

Call me what ever name you want to but I also believe that the estrogen in the birth control pills finds its way back into the water supply and without a doubt is the root cause behind the explosion of LGBT individuals, as well as males who are no longer masculine. Our sins have come right back to nip us in the butt.

Do you have anything to back up your statement? What “explosion”? The media is pagan and wants to promote homosexual behavior.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Abu]

Cristyd
I don’t know if this is genetic or not, and this will we never know maybe. The truth is there are some people that all their lives are atracted to the same sex and they can’t change it.

This problem has been well covered – the disorder is emotional and the person is just as responsible for seeking and accepting treatment as the alcoholic or drug user.

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. He explains that the activity is “rooted in choices the individual has made in the search for pleasure, and which become so powerfully addictive that they become habitual.” For 15 years Dr Satinover has helped over 50% to overcome their homosexual disorder. Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Dr Jeffrey Satinover, 1996, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.]

The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.
Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.”36
Note:
36. James E. Phelan, Neil Whitehead, Philip M. Sutton, “What Research Shows: NARTH’s Response to the APA Claims on Homosexuality,” *Journal of Human Sexuality *Vol. 1, p. 93 (National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, 2009).

“There is a whole way of thinking and feeling that occurs long before the inclination to genital acts with persons of the same sex arises in the heart…the disorder itself is rooted in unhealthy emotions.” [Fr John A Harvey, *The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius, 1996, p 154-5. Also Elizabeth Moberly’s Homosexuality: A New Christian Ethic, and Gerald van Aardweg’s Homosexuality and Hope, for an analysis of such emotions].

The chapter on Women With Homosexual Orientation gives many testimonies to the efficacy of reparative therapy and indicates that it is easier for many women to overcome their problem than men. The Truth About Homosexuality, Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., Ignatius, 1996].

Dr William Kraft asserts that the habit of masturbation carries the message that the person has not integrated his social, spiritual, emotional and physical life.” (A Psychospiritual View, 39-45). [Referenced and quoted by Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., *The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius 1996, p 162).

 

[Cinette]

*As I read these postings I remember Henri J M Nouwen, a Dutch Catholic priest who it is said suffered from SSA. He had many friends and his writings were inspiring. His masterpiece “The Return of the Prodigal Son” comes to mind.

I will re-read a biography by Michael Ford “Wounded Prophet” in my endeavour to understand this condition.

I do not believe Nouwen ever “consumated” his orientation but he suffered greatly from the psychological manifestation which is part of the “condition”.

I wonder if there is a Saint who suffered from SSA and who would be an inspiration and a mentor for people who suffer from SSA.

Cinette*

 

[LCMS_No_More]

*I wonder if there is a Saint who suffered from SSA and who would be an inspiration and a mentor for people who suffer from SSA.

Cinette*

Something tells me that if there were a saint who suffered SSA, while it would be helpful to someone like me, who believes that SSA is a curse and stains any and all attempts made toward sanctity (i.e., all my sins are worth double and my penances are worth half), it would create a great scandal among many Catholics, so the Church would never let this kind of information out, to prevent scandal.

 

[Newbie2]

• I believe that seminaries should not reject men with SSA because they can be has holy and devout and celibate as anyone else.

Cinette*

Do you think the same way about alcoholic seminarians? Should alcoholics be admitted to the priesthood?

 

[Captain_America]

I agree with Cinette.

 

[Abu]

Cinette
I believe that seminaries should not reject men with SSA because they can be has holy and devout and celibate as anyone else.

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental* Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth*, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.
Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.

In Her wisdom the Church has decided that it is far more prudent to not subject homosexuals to the rigors of the priesthood. The abuse by a small number of priests so widely trumpeted by the media is largely homosexual rather than of paedophilia.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental* Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth*, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.

I’m down with this, but I do have a question. What does one do if one isn’t rich? This kind of therapy costs hundreds of dollars per WEEK and can last up to five years.

Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.

I know this is true in my case and since I’m not rich, I have to suffer alone and in silence.

In Her wisdom the Church has decided that it is far more prudent to not subject homosexuals to the rigors of the priesthood. The abuse by a small number of priests so widely trumpeted by the media is largely homosexual rather than of paedophilia.

Yes, that’s right, everyone. Homosexuals are responsible for the abuse. Let’s have an old-fashion homo-burning. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!