Understanding homosexuality

[Abu]

Abu:
In Her wisdom the Church has decided that it is far more prudent to not subject homosexuals to the rigors of the priesthood. The abuse by a small number of priests so widely trumpeted by the media is largely homosexual rather than of paedophilia.

LCMS_No_More
Yes, that’s right, everyone. Homosexuals are responsible for the abuse. Let’s have an old-fashion homo-burning.

Homomania never helps anyone.
The facts are quite clear on the abuse being largely from homosexuals. An inability to face reality is a great problem with some people.
What is the problem with experiencing the benefits of Courage or Encourage groups?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Homomania never helps anyone.
The facts are quite clear on the abuse being largely from homosexuals. An inability to face reality is a great problem with some people.
What is the problem with experiencing the benefits of Courage or Encourage groups?

Courage is not about developing a full Christian life, including a VOCATION. It’s about helping homos live chastely.

For the ordained and religious, it’s chastity AND service to God directly.

For the married, it’s chastity and service to God through the family.

For the single, it’s chastity and the possibility of marriage.

For the homosexuality, it’s chastity. End of line.

See the incompleteness? For everyone else, it’s chastity plus. For the homo, it’s chastity and nothing. Can’t serve God directly. Can’t serve God in the family.

 

[Cinette]

Do you think the same way about alcoholic seminarians? Should alcoholics be admitted to the priesthood?

*I know a priest who is an alcoholic and he is stunning - such a good man. He uses grape juice for himself during Mass.

I did mention my son-in-law is alcoholic and has not touched a drink for the past five years during which time they had 2 more children and it is working. I pray for them every day - actually my prayer is for conversion and perhaps I should add about the grace to remain sober.

Cinette*

 

[Cinette]

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental* Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth*, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.
Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.

In Her wisdom the Church has decided that it is far more prudent to not subject homosexuals to the rigors of the priesthood. The abuse by a small number of priests so widely trumpeted by the media is largely homosexual rather than of paedophilia.

*I know this paedophilia thing has been exaggerated.

By the way there is a priest who was an addict (drugs and alcohol), a pagan, sex maniac (hetero) you name it and he experienced an amazing conversion and has now been a priest for over 10 years and is soooo devout. The Holy Spirit can do all things. This priest has just written a good (No turning back by Fr Donald Calloway). I am waiting for my copy.

There is hope for everybody.

Cinette*

 

[Abu]

Everyone is obliged to use their talents to the best of their ability and to contribute to the common good, to offering the truths of faith and morals, and seeking their own salvation and of those with whom they come into contact.

There are many people with disabilities of many kinds. Everyone is expected to develop their spirituality and to grow closer to Christ through His Church – nothing need stop anyone from living a full Catholic life.

 

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#1
This is the biblical answer to the third question posted on this video.

Nowhere in the Bible can you find a verse where God demands the death of innocent people. Maybe, the one asking such a question is not innocent, but ignorant of the Bible. There is a great difference between ‘innocent’ and ‘ignorant,’ and these people that malign God can not say that they are innocent because they intentionally mislead people by their questions.

They cited a verse in Exodus 35:2, which says-

“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you a holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.”

Before we go to the biblical aspect (And this is for my readers, and not for these people), let us first delve on something which is the only language they know. They do not question authorities in their land when they impose death penalty on law-breakers. I have not found any argument at their website questioning the imposition of death penalty which is being carried out by most countries of the world, so we can safely conclude that they are not against death penalty when it is imposed by anybody other than God. In the spirit of justice and fairness, they must question everybody that imposes death penalty, but their target is God who, unlike sinful human beings, has the power and authority to impose it because He is the Creator of life.

(Acts 17:28) “For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”

 

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#2
The poets of Athens and Greece were smarter than these people because they believed that there is a reason for our existence; and there must also be a reason for the imposition of death.

(Romans 6:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

The verse implies that death is imposed because of sin; and a just God will not punish innocent people. Sin is transgression of the law.

(1 John 3:4) “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

The law on keeping the Sabbath is the fourth of the Ten Commandments. This is a holy day between the Lord and His people, Israel. The beneficiary of this law is the people themselves. No human being after four hundred years of labor, like what happened to them in Egypt, in his proper senses will reject a day of rest. It is for your benefit to take a rest, and this is scientific.

The benefits of resting are huge. A day or two off each week is essential to allow muscles, tendons and ligaments the time to repair themselves. Additionally, for those attempting to increase muscle mass, the old saying that growth occurs during down time, not during workouts, holds true…thefitmap.co.uk/exercise/needs/benefits/rest.htm

Anybody who refuses to rest, especially so if there is a transgression to a very important commandment intended for his own benefit, is completely abnormal and out of his mind. He deserves to die and is not innocent!

(Deuteronomy 21:18-21) “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

 

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#3
These were the verses cited by these detractors of the Lord; and then claim that God demands the death of innocent teenagers! Not only are they misleading people through their website, but also propagating their invented lies. These imaginary people are blatant liars and deceivers!

Nowhere in the verses cited can you find that these are innocent teenagers! They are stubborn, rebellious, gluttons and drunkards. Rebellious to God and their parents, they are not innocent and they deserve to die, after rejecting their chance for renewal by not listening to the voices of their fathers and mothers. To say that these are innocent teenagers denotes the kind of person who sympathizes with them, and blames the just God of Christians. Perhaps, they are rearing their children in such a manner that they will someday be stubborn, rebellious, gluttons, and drunkards.

(1 Timothy 5:8) “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

Another blatant lie is their comment on Leviticus 20:13, saying that God demands the death of homosexuals. THE VERSE DOES NOT MENTION INNOCENT HOMOSEXUALS! The verse tells us, and I quote:

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

Note: The subject is a man that lieth with a woman, and afterwards, lieth also with a man. Homosexuals do not lie with women! These are men who, because of exceeding lust after lying with a woman, have pleasure also in men. This was clarified by the Apostle Paul in Romans 1:27.

“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

Innocent homosexuals are given by God the chance to inherit the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-11) “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind , nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

 

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#4
Note that some members of the first century Christian Church at Corinth were effeminate or homosexuals, but they were washed, sanctified, and justified!

Maybe these imaginary people, who say that God is imaginary, hate God; and they want to convince homosexuals to hate God also!

Other verses they used to make a mockery of God’s justice are in Deuteronomy 22:13-21, which states -

“If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her , And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; And they shall amerce him in a hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”

Note that death in the preceding verses was imposed not because the damsel or lady was not a virgin. It was imposed because she has done folly, fooling her father, mother, the supposed to be groom-to-be, and the elders of Israel, and mocking God’s commandment that protects the right and dignity of a starting family. The lady commanded by God to be stoned to death is NOT innocent.

Therefore, it is not true that God demands the death of so many innocent people, as they claim; but God is a God of justice, fairness, equity, and good morals, which these immoral and imaginary people hate.

I know after reading this, these imaginary people will again invent defamatory things against me and my God, but I believe and I pray that my readers be enlightened with this glaring light from God’s word.

Praise be unto HIM! Amen.

 

[Newbie2]

*I know a priest who is an alcoholic and he is stunning - such a good man. He uses grape juice for himself during Mass.

I did mention my son-in-law is alcoholic and has not touched a drink for the past five years during which time they had 2 more children and it is working. I pray for them every day - actually my prayer is for conversion and perhaps I should add about the grace to remain sober.

Cinette*

That doesn’t answer my question.

 

[Cinette]

Do you think the same way about alcoholic seminarians? Should alcoholics be admitted to the priesthood?

Why not? If my son in law can give up drinking for love of his children then a man with a true vocation could give up drinking for love of the Lord. Can be done.

The thing is the Vocations Director would have a difficult time discerning…

Cinette

 

[Newbie2]

Why not? If my son in law can give up drinking for love of his children then a man with a true vocation could give up drinking for love of the Lord. Can be done.

The thing is the Vocations Director would have a difficult time discerning…

Cinette

OK, next on the list is men with pedophilic tendencies. Admittable? Difficult to discern as well, no?

 

[Shoshana]

OK, next on the list is men with pedophilic tendencies. Admittable? Difficult to discern as well, no?

According to Fr B. Groeschel, pedophelia is not curable…only contained. We need priests without these deep-seated tendencies! And this is confirmed by our beoved pope and our local bishop. We cannot put any children at risk of this. This is not an addiction but a pathological perversion.

I do believe that there are many good homosexual priests. According to a priest I know, 50% of our priests are homosexual and if homosexuals are not admitted into the priesthood, there would be a lot less priests. Hom,osexual does not equal pedophilia but it surely equates with pedastry.

 

[Newbie2]

According to Fr B. Groeschel, pedophelia is not curable…only contained. We need priests without these deep-seated tendencies! And this is confirmed by our beoved pope and our local bishop. We cannot put any children at risk of this. This is not an addiction but a pathological perversion.

I do believe that there are many good homosexual priests. According to a priest I know, 50% of our priests are homosexual and if homosexuals are not admitted into the priesthood, there would be a lot less priests. Hom,osexual does not equal pedophilia but it surely equates with pedastry.

My point is that if someone thinks admitting men with homosexual tendencies to the priesthood is OK, and alcoholics as well, where does it stop? We need men that are not distracted by these anchors around their necks. Surely we know Satan knows their weak points and will do everything he can to exploit them.

 

[chrysostim83]

My point is that if someone thinks admitting men with homosexual tendencies to the priesthood is OK, and alcoholics as well, where does it stop? We need men that are not distracted by these anchors around their necks.

I’m not sure I get this. It seems pretty obvious that we shouldn’t really care about the particular temptations a given priest might have so long as he is able to control them (and able to demonstrate this control to his superiors). Otherwise, if the mere presence of a habitual temptation to serious sin were enough make us nervous about a man’s vocation, we could wonder if it was a good idea to allow heterosexual men into the priesthood.

 

[Abu]

chrysostim83
It seems pretty obvious that we shouldn’t really care about the particular temptations a given priest might have so long as he is able to control them (and able to demonstrate this control to his superiors). Otherwise, if the mere presence of a habitual temptation to serious sin were enough make us nervous about a man’s vocation, we could wonder if it was a good idea to allow heterosexual men into the priesthood.

The homosexual tendency is a disorder, not only “a habitual temptation to serious sin”, so great care and concern is necessary.
Homosexuals are three times as likely to be pedophiles as heterosexual men. Although exclusive pedophilia (adult attraction to prepubescent children) is an extreme and rare phenomenon, one third of homosexual men are attracted to teenage boys (Jenkins, Priests and Pedophilia). The seduction of teenage boys by homosexual men is a well-documented phenomenon. This form of deviant behavior is the most common type of clerical abuse and is directly connected to homosexual behavior.

Shoshana
According to a priest I know, 50% of our priests are homosexual and if homosexuals are not admitted into the priesthood, there would be a lot less priests. Hom,osexual does not equal pedophilia but it surely equates with pedastry.

Myths:
Requiring celibacy limits the number of men as candidates for the priesthood, resulting in a high number of sexually unbalanced priests.
There isn’t a “high number of sexually unbalanced priests.” Again, the vast majority of priests are normal, healthy, and faithful. Every day they prove themselves worthy of the trust and confidence of those entrusted to their care.
[CRISIS Magazine - e-Letter, Deal W. Hudson].

 

[Shoshana]

Myths:
Requiring celibacy limits the number of men as candidates for the priesthood, resulting in a high number of sexually unbalanced priests.

Celibacy has nothing to do with deviant behaviour…I totally concur. Married men who have sex with their wives have sexually abused their own children. This is a proven fact.

There isn’t a “high number of sexually unbalanced priests.”

Do you think the priest lied to me? I think he knows his diocese much more than I do…
Again, the vast majority of priests are normal, healthy, and faithful.

98% of our priests in this diocese have proven themselves loyal and faithful. I believe that. And 50% of that 98% are homosexuals…
Every day they prove themselves worthy of the trust and confidence of those entrusted to their care.

Not all homosexual priests have acted on their genitals…just like not all heterosexual priests have not acted on their genitals…I have been a directee for over 25 years and have seen much. Yes, most priests are worth trusting by far…
[CRISIS Magazine - e-Letter, Deal W. Hudson].

 

[Cinette]

OK, next on the list is men with pedophilic tendencies. Admittable? Difficult to discern as well, no?

*This is an absurd question! Nobody in their right minds would overlook such a serious flaw!!

Cinette:shrug:*

 

[Cinette]

My point is that if someone thinks admitting men with homosexual tendencies to the priesthood is OK, and alcoholics as well, where does it stop? We need men that are not distracted by these anchors around their necks. Surely we know Satan knows their weak points and will do everything he can to exploit them.

*No man is perfect! We ALL have weaknesses. Where on earth would we find any priests if nobody had weadnesses.

???
*

 

[chrysostim83]

The homosexual tendency is a disorder, not only “a habitual temptation to serious sin”, so great care and concern is necessary.

That’s pretty confusing. What does the difference between these two things mean to you?