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read the entire list , you will find all types of muslims there

i do now in this forum 🙂
*I hope you will always speak up against persecution.

Yes, there may be protests by some Middle East Muslims but they are few - one never hears about it. The fact is persecutions continue all the time*. There was a bishop in Iraq who was killed and beheaded by his chauffeur - the bishop was a good man who did a lot for the people. This happened just a couple of months ago.

Cinette:)
 
Happening way too often:

asianews.it/news-en/Indonesian-police-tears-down-house-church-19013.html

07/23/2010 12:01
INDONESIA
Indonesian police tears down house church
After years of peaceful coexistence with residents, Muslim organisation gets the authorities to tear down the building. Ten people are arrested. The Pentecostal Church announces legal action against local authorities.

Jakarta (AsiaNews/Agencies) – Police demolished a residential building in Bogor (West Java) that regularly hosted a house church. Police also detained, interrogated and released ten people, Compass Direct News (CDN) reported.
Last Monday, police raided a house used for worship by Narogong Pentecostal Church in the village of Limusnunggal, Cileungsi sub-district. The action was followed by clashes between agents and worshippers. The building was eventually torn down and ten people arrested.

“Local residents, including non-Christians, had accepted the presence of the church,” said local Block Captain Junaedi Syamsudin, “but a group called the Forum of the Muslim Brotherhood of Limusnunggal has worked since 2008 to have the church eliminated.”

“Three months ago members of the forum went to Cileungsi offices to object to the church’s presence,” Syamsudin added, “and the regent promised to demolish the house.”

Bogor Police Chief Eddy Hidayat said that the house “lacked a use permit”, but Pentecostal Church coordinator Hotlan P. Silaen retorted that police were not neutral in the dispute.

“The clash with citizens could have been avoided if the police had been neutral and not been goaded into a situation that caused bodily harm,” Silaen said.

Rev Rekson Sitorus announced that the Church would take “legal action” against those responsible for demolishing the house, including the Bogor administration.
 
aina.org/news/20100723022355.htm

Disappearance of Priest’s Wife Leads to Coptic Demonstrations in Egypt​

Posted GMT 7-23-2010 7:23:55​

(AINA) – The unexplained disappearance of a Coptic priest’s wife in Upper Egypt has led today a sit-in staged by thousands of Copts at the Coptic Patriarchate in Cairo, to protest what they consider “collusion by the state security services.” There are rumors that Islamists have abducted her. They promised to continue with their sit-in until the state security divulges her whereabouts.

Nearly three thousand demonstrators, joined by clergy, protested the lack of protection for Copts by state security, chanting “They abducted the wife of our priest, tomorrow they will abduct us” and “Where are our abducted girls or is it because they are Christians?” (video)

Police surrounded the Cathedral to prevent the demonstrators from going out to the streets.

On Monday, July 19, Father Tedaos Samaan, priest at St. Georges Church in Deir Mawas, Minya Governorate, returned home to find that his wife was missing from the previous night. He said that he was on a short visit to his parents with his toddler son, as his teacher wife Kamila Shehata was on a short placement to another school.

According to Father Tedaos (aged 30), the last times he spoke to his wife (24) was at 9.15 PM when she told him that she was at home, and was on her way to overnight at her parent’s home, 100 meters away. She never arrived there.

Anba Agapios, Bishop of the dioceses of Delga and Deir Mawas, deplored the treatment by officials of the state security apparatus in Minya. They told him that they have the priest’s wife with them and promised to deliver her to her family within hours and then they came back and retracted their statements and their promises to him. Consequently he asked his congregations to go to Cairo and stage a sit-in at St. Mark’s Cathedral, until state security acts. He appealed to Copts in all the Egyptian governorates to stand together alongside their brethren during their sit-in.

In an aired interview on July 21 with the newly launched US-based Coptic Hope TV, Father Tedaos said that nearly 3000 of Deir Mawas youths and the neighboring villages "have hired buses to go to the Cairo for the sit-in, however, state security intercepted and detained them on the roads. “Where is the freedom? Are we not allowed to go to our father’s house [the Pope] and speak out of what is ailing us?” he said. “But their brothers in Cairo and the other areas will make their voice heard,” he assured.

The priest complained of the treatment by the authorities. “Whenever I phone them, they say they have no news and they do nothing. They only give me pain-killers, nothing more.” He said state security knows the whereabouts of everyone, “they can even find a needle anywhere in the whole of Egypt.”

Father Tedaos said that he obtained the last calls his wife received on her mobile phone from her service provider, and it was a call from an Azhar (related to Al-Azhar) colleague. Father Tedaos went as far as saying in his interview that this Azhar colleague has been planning for one year to send his teacher wife to a placement to another village school. “I gave this information to the security officers, but no one bothered to interrogate him. Now he has completely disappeared,” he added.

Coptic activist Sherif Ramzy said that the priest represents the Copts and any assault on him is an assault on all the Copts.

Father Tedaos said that apart from his wife, there have been five other Coptic females who were abducted from Deir Mawas in the last 50 days. “But to abduct a wife of a priest is something else, as he represents the Church,” said Sherif Ramzy.

“It is a sin what is happening to the Christians in Egypt,” Father Tedaos said. “If the Islamists want to kill us, let them go ahead and do it,” he said.

Father Tedaos appealed to President Mubarak for the return of his wife.

By Mary Abdelmassih
 
Someone mentioned how much Muslims *“foam at the mouth” *when Paul is mentioned.

It is because the comparison of Mohammad must be to Paul, not to Jesus to which there is no comparison.

I believe Muslims realize this truth but doubt they would ever admit it.
 
Happening way too often:

asianews.it/news-en/Indonesian-police-tears-down-house-church-19013.html

07/23/2010 12:01
INDONESIA
Indonesian police tears down house church
After years of peaceful coexistence with residents, Muslim organisation gets the authorities to tear down the building. Ten people are arrested. The Pentecostal Church announces legal action against local authorities.

Jakarta (AsiaNews/Agencies) – Police demolished a residential building in Bogor (West Java) that regularly hosted a house church. Police also detained, interrogated and released ten people, Compass Direct News (CDN) reported.
Last Monday, police raided a house used for worship by Narogong Pentecostal Church in the village of Limusnunggal, Cileungsi sub-district. The action was followed by clashes between agents and worshippers. The building was eventually torn down and ten people arrested.

“Local residents, including non-Christians, had accepted the presence of the church,” said local Block Captain Junaedi Syamsudin, “but a group called the Forum of the Muslim Brotherhood of Limusnunggal has worked since 2008 to have the church eliminated.”

“Three months ago members of the forum went to Cileungsi offices to object to the church’s presence,” Syamsudin added, “and the regent promised to demolish the house.”

Bogor Police Chief Eddy Hidayat said that the house “lacked a use permit”, but Pentecostal Church coordinator Hotlan P. Silaen retorted that police were not neutral in the dispute.

“The clash with citizens could have been avoided if the police had been neutral and not been goaded into a situation that caused bodily harm,” Silaen said.

Rev Rekson Sitorus announced that the Church would take “legal action” against those responsible for demolishing the house, including the Bogor administration.
That’s Elwill’s peace loving and respectful muslims.
 
Someone mentioned how much Muslims "foam at the mouth" when Paul is mentioned.

It is because the comparison of Mohammad must be to Paul, not to Jesus to which there is no comparison.

I believe Muslims realize this truth but doubt they would ever admit it.
If they did, then they would have to admit the truth about islam. And the truth about islam is not very nice.
 
*No Elwill I have documentaries - on film - showing a procession with the coffins of Christians who were beheaded for being Christians - I think there we 20 of them. You can clearly see on film their heads loosely above their bodies. This was in Egypt - your country. If I know about this and you don’t then I am surprised.

Also, I know an Egyptian man, a Copt, and he has verified all this. He told me about the terrible suffering of Christians in Egypt.

Am I giving you news?

Cinette:)*
can you show me this decumentary
 
can you show me this decumentary
I find this whole thing absurd. You are either totally out of the picture or just unable to comprehend the truth. IT’S ON THE NEWS EVERY DAY. CHRISTIANS MURDERED FOR BEING CHRISTIANS.

Just several days ago 2 men were murdered in the country of Pakistan. They were found not guilty of blaspheming islam. Leaving court, they were shot by loving muslims.

Islam is a backward religion that promotes murder, violence, hate, rape, pedaphilia, larceny, and on and on and on. I bet you’d have a different view if you lived with the taliban. To be uneducated in world wide events is another weapon of islam. Communism was pretty good at that.
 
Dear Ewill:

Egyptian Court Acquits Muslims Who Beheaded a Christian
Dan Wooding
ASSIST News Service
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March 8, 2010

ASSUIT, EGYPT (ANS) – An Egyptian court in the southern city of Assuit has acquitted four Muslims accused of killing 61-year-old Farouk Attallah on October 19, 2009.

This has been reported by Mary Abdelmassih in a story for the Assyrian International News Agency who said, “In broad daylight and in full view of witnesses, the killers fired 31 bullets to his head before beheading him, in the busy village market place of Attaleen, near Dairout, 313 kilometers south of Cairo,” said, The dead body was then dragged in the street, accompanied by shouts of victory.

“The judge presiding over the court on February 22, said that he was not satisfied that the testimony of the witnesses established that the imprisoned men were the killers. After the acquittal of Mohamad, Ashraf, Osama and Ahmad Hassouna, there was jubilation in the court room, with shouts of ‘Allah is Great’ and congratulations from all Muslims, including members of the state security forces who were present.”

She said that Christians were enraged over the acquittal, since similar cases would result in life imprisonment or execution for a Copt if the victim was a Muslim and came as another wake-up call to many Copts in Egypt.

According to Peter Sarwar, the plaintiff’s attorney who told Mariam Ragy of Katiba Tibia Coptic site, “It sends a clear message that Coptic blood is extremely cheap. This acquittal will make permanent the present culture of impunity enjoyed by Muslim aggressors against Copts.”

Sarwat said the ruling was inadequate, as it acquitted the accused but did not say who the perpetrators are. “If these men did not kill, so who killed? The ruling should have referred the case to the general prosecution to present the perpetrators.”

Abdelmassih said that the Court based its ruling on quasi non existent proof, as well as the absence of “positive evidence” testimony versus the presence of “negative evidence” testimony.

“The judge refused to take into consideration the testimonies of the dead man’s daughter who said she only saw one killer and not four, as well as the testimony of the Muslim man who was wounded in the shootings,” said Sarwat.

According to media reports, most people who witnessed the shootings in the market place refused to come forward for fear of vengeance from the assailants’ family. There were false witnesses who confirmed that the killers were present at work.

“It is not enough to get a conviction based only on police reports which are full of legal loopholes and weak prosecution investigations,” said Sarwat. Legal observers have always claimed that the police purposely deliver to prosecution reports full of inadequacies and loopholes, thereby getting from the courts acquittals for Muslims.

What prompted the killing of Farouk Attallah was an alleged illicit sexual relationship between his son Romany and a local Muslim girl, Hagger Hassouna. A rumor that intimate photos of Hagger together with her lover Romany were circulating on cell phones in Dairout lead four members of the Hassona family to kill Romany’s father, after failing to locate his son, who had fled.

Abdelmassih stated that besides the killing of Farouk Attallah, the arrest of the Hassouna perpetrators sparked on October 24, 2009, Muslim riots and collective punishment against all Copts in Dairout. Christian-owned shops, pharmacies, and homes were looted and burned.

“Although several hundreds Muslims participated in those riots, the police only detained 19, and these were acquitted on December 13, 2009 because of the lack of eyewitnesses and conflicting statements between the accused and the victims,” she said.

“The majority of Copts believe the reason for the acquittal of Muslims is that although Egypt claims to be a secular state, in reality it applies the Sharia law which dictates that a Muslim who kills a non-Muslim must not be killed, because it is not reasonable to equate a Muslim with a ‘polytheist’ (a Christian).”

Commenting on the acquittal, Dr. Naguib Gobraeel, President of the Egyptian Union of Human Rights, asked: “What is the solution? The same happened with regards to Al-Kosheh Massacre [21 Copts were slaughtered in 2000 and not one Muslim was indicted], the attack on the Copts in Alexandria were blamed on a mentally unstable person; even the assailant who beheaded Abdo Goerge Younan in Menoufiah is now in a mental hospital. Heavenly Justice is our last resourt.” He stated that he will appeal this week’s verdict.

The victim’s family was greatly shocked and saddened by the acquittal. “In spite of the blood of their slain family head filling the street, the Muslim killers got away literally with murder,” Sarwat said “It just shows how cheap Coptic blood can be.”

Sarwat asserted that he will appeal the ruling. “We cannot remain silent over this verdict as it has very serious implications for all Copts in Egypt.” He added: “It is not safe for Copts now, as any Muslims who wants to get rid of a Copt, would kill him, knowing well that in the end he will be acquitted.”
 
Dear Ewill:

Egyptian Court Acquits Muslims Who Beheaded a Christian
Dan Wooding
ASSIST News Service
Email thisPrint thisDiscuss thisShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DeliciousShare on DiggShare on StumbleUponmore

March 8, 2010

ASSUIT, EGYPT (ANS) – An Egyptian court in the southern city of Assuit has acquitted four Muslims accused of killing 61-year-old Farouk Attallah on October 19, 2009.


Commenting on the acquittal, Dr. Naguib Gobraeel, President of the Egyptian Union of Human Rights, asked: “What is the solution? The same happened with regards to Al-Kosheh Massacre [21 Copts were slaughtered in 2000 and not one Muslim was indicted], the attack on the Copts in Alexandria were blamed on a mentally unstable person; even the assailant who beheaded Abdo Goerge Younan in Menoufiah is now in a mental hospital. Heavenly Justice is our last resourt.” He stated that he will appeal this week’s verdict.

The victim’s family was greatly shocked and saddened by the acquittal. “In spite of the blood of their slain family head filling the street, the Muslim killers got away literally with murder,” Sarwat said “It just shows how cheap Coptic blood can be.”

Sarwat asserted that he will appeal the ruling. “We cannot remain silent over this verdict as it has very serious implications for all Copts in Egypt.” He added: “It is not safe for Copts now, as any Muslims who wants to get rid of a Copt, would kill him, knowing well that in the end he will be acquitted.”
*This is indeed yet another blemish in the history of the inhumanity of Muslims. They have a very bad record in regard to terror, murder and violence. It is extremely sad.

They cannot be proud of their record.

Cinette:)*
 
It’s an exercise in futility. Why bother responding to him? Same with Elwill. He claims Christians are not persecuted in muslim countries. No executions, beheadings, all just a fable.
 
*This is indeed yet another blemish in the history of the inhumanity of Muslims. They have a very bad record in regard to terror, murder and violence. It is extremely sad.

They cannot be proud of their record.

Cinette:)*
Elwill and Hamba are.
 
*I hope you will always speak up against persecution.

Yes, there may be protests by some Middle East Muslims but they are few - one never hears about it. The fact is persecutions continue all the time*. There was a bishop in Iraq who was killed and beheaded by his chauffeur - the bishop was a good man who did a lot for the people. This happened just a couple of months ago.

Cinette:)
You’ve got to remember, Cinette, the “holy” koran permits it. I only know one spirit and his followers that love to see murder, rape, subjegation, slavery, and so on.

Classic art shows him with two horns, a tail, and a pitchfork. We know he really wears a turbin and told everybody that Jesus is just a regular guy.
 
I’m sorry. I owe an apology. I said the holy koran permits those things. Actually that is a blatant lie. The koran prescribes it!
 
your behaviour is shame on christianity
and silence of your fellow christians who read your posts are shame on christianity

why i should hear and trust a christian who insist to convince me that love in christianity isn’t more than empty words which never exceed their lips

i know that thier are many kind and lovely members here , which make me think that i need some hosnest support

peace to you all , i will monitor the thread to see if anyone have other questions
 
My question ElWill to you:

Muhammed was a prophet, right to you Muslims. How can a Prophet of God engage in warfare? How can a Prophet of God be attracted to a little girl? No mentally sane person would feel desires towards a young children. And what about attacking Qurayish cavarans? Is it the correct behavior of a Prophet of God to attack people because he said so? Was Muhammed possessed by a Djinn when he received the Quran? And the Heaven in Islam, where does it say about Silk Clothes, mansions palaces of gold and a harem 75 virgins and slave boys for sexual pleasure? Is this what the Heaven in Islam is? A orgy of carnal desires? And I know Alcohol is forbidden in Islam because it’s the work of Shaitan/The Devil but in a Surah (Don’t remember which one) it is mentioned that in Heaven there’s rivers of wine. How did Shaitan’s work get into Heaven?
 
your behaviour is shame on christianity
and silence of your fellow christians who read your posts are shame on christianity Pointing out the truth and stating facts is a shame? This is extraordinary!

why i should hear and trust a christian who insist to convince me that love in christianity isn’t more than empty words which never exceed their lips We Christians are hurt and outraged by the cruelty and violence which demonstrated the hatred Muslims have for us. There have been posters who have given you recorded facts and you do not display any outrage! Instead you point fingers and accuse Christians of empty words! You Elwill appear to condone these heinous acts and are not affected by them at all and turn this whole thing around. What a disappointment! I would expect that you might show some compassion but no!!!

i know that thier are many kind and lovely members here , which make me think that i need some hosnest support I gave you the benefit of the doubt and hoped that you would show some outrage but instead you accuse us of …what? What makes you so angry elwill? The truth?

peace to you all , i will monitor the thread to see if anyone have other questions
*Why elwill? You do not provide a satisfactory answer. You think that by denying the truth you are giving an answer? I asked you about things I have read in the Qu’ran and you deny they are from the Qu’ran - even if they are commentary - I found then in the Qu’ran. How can you deny this? Denying is no answer. How can we debate with you when you provide no real answers, no real explanations!

🤷🤷:confused:*
 
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