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TonyBS
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Luke 22:42 "saying, “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
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MartinJordan
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Beautiful isn’t it?
Even at the point of death, Jesus teaches us how to pray.The Gospel according to St. Luke emphasizes the action of the Holy Spirit and the meaning of prayer in Christ’s ministry.** Jesus prays before the decisive moments of his mission:** before his Father’s witness to him during his baptism and Transfiguration, and before his own fulfillment of the Father’s plan of love by his Passion.43 He also prays before the decisive moments involving the mission of his apostles: at his election and call of the Twelve, before Peter’s confession of him as “the Christ of God,” and again that the faith of the chief of the Apostles may not fail when tempted.44 Jesus’ prayer before the events of salvation that the Father has asked him to fulfill is **a humble and trusting commitment of his human will **to the loving will of the Father.
Excerpt from: vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s1c1a2.htm
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TonyBS
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Yes and Who toBeautiful isn’t it?
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MartinJordan
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Sure. The Father. (Person) Jesus being humble and obedient. Plus this teaches us, that we will never be orphans because he will send the Holy Spirit.Yes and Who to
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Servant19
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But if He is God Incarnate, 100% God, nothing but the fullness of God in human form, what is there to be humble about?Sure. The Father. (Person) Jesus being humble and obedient. Plus this teaches us, that we will never be orphans because he will send the Holy Spirit.
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Also, if it is the Holy Spirit He has sent, then the Holy Spirit has given us 20,000 different teachings. Some so opposed to each other that they fought over it…
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MartinJordan
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That’s why one needs the Church to know the Experience of being with Jesus and one community. Not one person and Christ, each person being sole interpreter of Scripture, without the Will of God to guide His Church through Tradition. Or being outside the Church.
One can’t experience what it means. Jesus being 100%’ God and 100% man.
See above.
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Vico
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That which is done by God “by nature” does not signify that it was done consequently and perforce. Begetting is by nature. Creating (making) and begetting are not the same. With begetting divine begets divine, man begets man.
The Creed states “begotten, not made”:
“I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, the only-begotten, born of the Father before all ages. Light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in essence with the Father; through whom all things were made.”
Saint Epiphanios replied to the Arians, regarding the Father begetting the Son:
“Neither, therefore, did He beget voluntarily, nor involuntarily, but only on account of the preponderance of nature. For divine nature predominates over volition and is not subjugated to Time, nor drawn by any need”
Ούτε θέλων τοίνυν εγέννησεν, ούτε μη θέλων, αλλ’ υπερβολή φύσεως. υπερβαίνει γαρ η θεία φύσις βουλήν, και ουχ υποπίπτει χρόνω, ούτε ανάγκη άγεται.
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What you introduce here is not a straying, but a fulfillment of the Old Covenant law which the Jews could not keep. The Holy Spirit was not given to man during the old covenant. God reveals God in the fullness of times confirmed in the Holy Spirit. YAHWEH does not change. Divine revelation has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ in the fullness of times.
Jesus came to make known the Father to our humanity in the Holy Spirit. Jesus taught and corrected the first century Sanhedrin Jews of the Law who were crushing the people of God with the Law and preventing the nations of coming to God.
Again Jesus incarnate = God in presence does not stray away from any Jewish teaching. Jesus the Word of God made flesh fulfilled the Jewish law and prophets. All the Jews need is ears to hear and eyes to see. but the prophets already foretold of those Jews who will be visited by God = Jesus incarnate who will have ears to hear but cannot hear and eyes will see Him but will remain blind.
In brief; BEING, SUPREME IN PRESENCE.
I don’t know of any Christian who believes that the Father being the Essence of God. You are confusing the presence of God revealed in the Father with the Essence of God that does not come down to us.
If any man pretends to know the Essence of God has lost his/her mind.
What makes you believe that the Father’s (presence) being is the Essence of God?
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Servant19
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I’m not sure what all that means Martin…
Are you telling me that only by being part of the Church I can discern what being 100% God and 100% man truly means?
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hasantas
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These are all letters which cannot be source of faith but perhaps maybe annotator for faith yet non explain Trinity annonated and there is no direct indication to Trinity. Trinity can be interpreted in very strained ways. For instance I can explain Trinity in that way: Father(God) sent His Son(Messenger) for salvation of humanbeing. The revelation came through Holy Spirit(Gabriel) and Holy Spirit support Jesus and faith. That is more usaul according to all scriptures, isn’t it? Is there any need for mysteries?
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Servant19
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Thank Gabriel your post was interesting. A few points:
- The Holy Spirit was given to man in the Old Covenant. This is a nice sermon to explain for you:
beth-elsa.org/Worship/Sermons/Guest_Speakers/Do_Jews_Believe_in_the_Holy_Spirit_01_15_10 - God in presence incarnated does stray away from Jewish teaching. I can give you so many sources if you wish
- I think if you look back at this thread you will see Vico state that the Father, son and Holy Spirit share the Essence of God totally
- Are you saying that the Essence of God is totally distinct from, but surrounds Creation?
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MartinJordan
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Outside the Apostolic tradition ie without having connection in the experiences passed down by those who walked with, touched, loved and stayed with Jesus would be detrimental in understanding who Jesus is.
Through Apostolic tradition, the Church as a whole weekly and some daily come to the Supper of the Lamb . In that we share in God’s Divinity, consuming the Body Blood Soull and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore as the Son came down from Heaven to share in our Humanity, we share in His Divinity. We in Him and He in us as much as He in his Father and his Father in Him.
Praise God!
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eddie_too
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since Bahaullah did not know Jesus was a Divine Person, it is safe to conclude that only when bahuallah agrees with Jesus is Bahaullah providing the world anything of value and then it is more by chance than by understanding.
to be best of my knowledge, bahuallah never claimed to have come down from heaven. it is uncertain even what Bahaullah considers heaven.
what was lacking in Jesus and His teachings? if they are complete, what need is there for any further manifestations?
what did Bahaullah add to Jesus’ teachings that had not already been written of or spoken of by other sources? what is new, what did Bahaullah reveal that had not been already been revealed prior to Bahaullah’s teachings?
the fact that nothing Bahaullah wrote is essential for gaining eternal life speaks for itself and testifies to the need for Bahaullah or his teachings.
to be best of my knowledge, bahuallah never claimed to have come down from heaven. it is uncertain even what Bahaullah considers heaven.
what was lacking in Jesus and His teachings? if they are complete, what need is there for any further manifestations?
what did Bahaullah add to Jesus’ teachings that had not already been written of or spoken of by other sources? what is new, what did Bahaullah reveal that had not been already been revealed prior to Bahaullah’s teachings?
the fact that nothing Bahaullah wrote is essential for gaining eternal life speaks for itself and testifies to the need for Bahaullah or his teachings.
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Techno2000
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Right…
Some Famous Quotes From Jesus…
“Live by the sword, die by the sword”
“he who has not sinned cast the first stone”
“go the extra mile”
‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’"
" seek, and ye shall find"
Some Famous Quotes From Bahā’u’llāh…
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TonyBS
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Off topic but if you wish to start another thread we could talk about Quotes. Here are a couple that show the animating Spirit is the Same - God - Holy Spirit - Messenger
- Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship.
- The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens.
- Love is a light that never dwelleth in a heart possessed by fear.
- So powerful is the light of unity that it can ulliminate the whole world.
- Blessed is he who preferreth his brother to himself.
- The betterment of the world, can be accomplished through pure & goodly deeds
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eddie_too
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through Jesus we have received forgiveness for our sins, reconciliation with our Creator, Perfect Being, entrance in to the Kingdom of God, entrance in to the Kingdom of Heaven, and the gift of Eternal Life.
if others believe that these are not enough, what else do they want or need?
if others believe that these are not enough, what else do they want or need?
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Techno2000
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What or who is the " animating Spirit " ?
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Techno2000
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They want a… One World Religion .
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Vico
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True humility can be expressed to the greatest degree only by the greatest.
John 13:3-7
3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God, 4 got up from supper, and laid aside His garments; and taking a towel, He girded Himself. 5 Then He poured water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. 6 So He came to Simon Peter. He said to Him,
“Lord, do You wash my feet?” 7 Jesus answered and said to him,
“What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter.”
“What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter.”
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Servant19
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So you’re telling me that if I was to commit to being a Catholic, over time, because of my connection with the Apostolic Tradition, I will realise what 100% God/100% human means and will believe it?
Rational belief is thrown out of the window for a spiritual certitude? Personally I think true faith is to have BOTH rational belief and spiritual certitude.
Either way, it seems what you are asking me to do (become a Catholic so that I can believe seemingly irrational theology) is not a reflection of reality, since earlier this year, close to 70% of Catholics in the US and Ireland believe in a “symbolic” Eucharist.
cruxnow.com/church/2015/02/23/i-dont-believe-the-eucharist-is-the-body-of-christ-am-i-going-to-hell/
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