Understanding the Trinity

[Techno2000]

Yes it does, they are called synagogues.

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Just like the Protestants have churches, that doesn’t make them a Organization like the Catholic Church is with a Organizational Hierarchical system with a President and a main Headquarters. Judaism does not meet those criteria.

 

[Servant19]

Just like the Protestants have churches, that doesn’t make them a Organization like the Catholic Church is with a Organizational Hierarchical system with a President and a main Headquarters. Judaism does not meet those criteria.

Are you seriously going to tell me that it is not an organisation unless there is a single man at the top? And that person must be alive on earth?

The Catholic Church must be a secular atheist organization then…

Come on Techno, let us not lose sight of what we learnt at school for the sole purpose of proving me wrong “at all costs”…

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[Techno2000]

Are you seriously going to tell me that it is not an organisation unless there is a single man at the top? And that person must be alive on earth?

The Catholic Church must be a secular atheist organization then…

Come on Techno, let us not lose sight of what we learnt at school for the sole purpose of proving me wrong “at all costs”…

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Ok let’s put it this way… I don’t think there is any Organization “like” the Catholic Church type of Organization that has stood (2000 years ) test of time.

 

[Servant19]

Ok let’s put it this way… I don’t think there is any Organization “like” the Catholic Church type of Organization that has stood (2000 years ) test of time.

Of course, there is no organization like the first nation tribes of Australia and USA, or Buddhism, or Hinduism that has stood 2000 years. The fact that some do not have a central authoritative figure on earth is a bigger miracle if you think about it

Imagine where Justin Martyr would have been if he used this logic to prove his faith in Jesus

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[Techno2000]

Of course, there is no organization like the first nation tribes of Australia and USA, or Buddhism, or Hinduism that has stood 2000 years. The fact that some do not have a central authoritative figure on earth is a bigger miracle if you think about it

Imagine where Justin Martyr would have been if he used this logic to prove his faith in Jesus

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Ok, Servant 19… this is the “Sign of the Cross” …the Trinity… we take our hand and say… in the name of the Father… The Son…and… Holy Spirit : so simple a child can understand, Right ?

 

[Servant19]

Ok, Servant 19… this is the “Sign of the Cross” …the Trinity… we take our hand and say… in the name of the Father… The Son…and… Holy Spirit : so simple a child can understand, Right ?

Absolutely Techno

I love it when Christians pray to the Trinity. I fully endorse it.

The details of its inner meanings…breaks away from true monotheism and I’m confident the reason for this is the same reason why there is a Catholic, an Orthodox, a Baptist, a Presbyterian, a Unitarian, the list goes on

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[MartinJordan]

I pray for that too

I pray to God in His Essence, Baha’u’llah and the Holy Spirit…

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It 's clear The Trinity in this thread, has been established as the Father and The Son And the Holy Spirit.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

Absolutely Techno

I love it when Christians pray to the Trinity. I fully endorse it.

The details of its inner meanings…breaks away from true monotheism
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Inner meaning is Love. It’s called Perichoresis.

“If, as is properly understood, the Father is he who kisses, the Son he who is kissed, then it cannot be wrong to see in the kiss the Holy Spirit, for he is the imperturbable peace of the Father and the Son, their unshakable bond, their undivided love, their indivisible unity.” —

St. Bernard of Clairvaux, in Sermon 8, Sermons on the Song of Songs

:extrahappy:

MJ

 

[Servant19]

Inner meaning is Love. It’s called Perichoresis.

“If, as is properly understood, the Father is he who kisses, the Son he who is kissed, then it cannot be wrong to see in the kiss the Holy Spirit, for he is the imperturbable peace of the Father and the Son, their unshakable bond, their undivided love, their indivisible unity.” —

St. Bernard of Clairvaux, in Sermon 8, Sermons on the Song of Songs

:extrahappy:

MJ

“O Thou Who art the Lord of all names and the Maker of the heavens! I beseech Thee by them Who are the Day-Springs of Thine invisible Essence, the Most Exalted, the All-Glorious, to make of my prayer a fire that will burn away the veils which have shut me out from Thy beauty, and a light that will lead me unto the ocean of Thy Presence.”

I pray this daily…I’m praying to the Word AND the Hidden Essence of God… The Deus a Se…



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[Techno2000]

“O Thou Who art the Lord of all names and the Maker of the heavens! I beseech Thee by them Who are the Day-Springs of Thine invisible Essence, the Most Exalted, the All-Glorious, to make of my prayer a fire that will burn away the veils which have shut me out from Thy beauty, and a light that will lead me unto the ocean of Thy Presence.”

I pray this daily…I’m praying to the Word AND the Hidden Essence of God… The Deus a Se…



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I like This One…

********The Golden Arrow

May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most mysterious and

unutterable Name of God be always praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified

in heaven, on earth and under the earth, by all the creatures of God, and by the

Sacred Heart of our Lord Jesus Christ in the most Holy Sacrament of the alter.

This prayer was revealed by Our Lord to a Carmelite Nun of Tours in 1843 as a reparation for blasphemy.

“This Golden Arrow will wound My Heart delightfully,” He said, “and heal the wounds inflicted by blasphemy.”

Imprimatur

• T. J. Toolen, Archbishop of Mobile-Birm.********

 

[Servant19]

I like This One…

********The Golden Arrow

May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable, most mysterious and

unutterable Name of God be always praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified

in heaven, on earth and under the earth, by all the creatures of God, and by the

Sacred Heart of our Lord Jesus Christ in the most Holy Sacrament of the alter.

This prayer was revealed by Our Lord to a Carmelite Nun of Tours in 1843 as a reparation for blasphemy.

“This Golden Arrow will wound My Heart delightfully,” He said, “and heal the wounds inflicted by blasphemy.”

Imprimatur

• T. J. Toolen, Archbishop of Mobile-Birm.********

I love it too…it’s a beautiful prayer

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[hasantas]

=Gabriel of 12;13551839]The Hebrews (Torah) all teach and speak of God in the Plural. Christianity believes in the Trinity because God revealed His **True presence **to these faithful.

When did ever an Hadith writer ever see God to know “ALL the attributes of God”?

How does a Hadith reconcile God speaking in the Plural in the Tora of Genesis when God say’s “Let **US make man in OUR **image”.

107- And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. Al-Anbiya(21)

1- Indeed, We sent the Qur’an down during the Night of Decree. Al-Qadr(97)

9- Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian. Al-Hijr(15)

1- Indeed, We have granted you, [O Muhammad], al-Kawthar. Al-Kawthar(108)

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As you see there are verses in Qur’an in which God do not say “I” but “we”!

There are explaniations of that:

1-King or Majesty use “we” for seniority and veneration of himself.

2- God make angels witness by saying “we”

So there should be some verses in Torah in which God say “we” but not “I”. But in Qur’an God use “I” much more than “we” and there is many obviuos verses that God say that He is one and unique. I think it is same in Torah.

 

[hasantas]

=Gabriel of 12;13551839]

A biblical quote by Jesus Himself;

Matthew 28;16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. ****; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. **19Therefore go **and make disciples of all nations, **baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, **20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

If you follow the first century Roman secular and Jewish historical writings as well as divine revelation recorded in the bible. You will find the Christians of Jesus Day, baptizing all believers in Jesus Christ, in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Who all follow Jesus teaching of the Trinity.

“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me”. Jesus said it had been given to Him so Jesus Himself is not source of authority. And Jesus said baptizing them through that authority which was given.

“When they saw him, they worshiped him”. That worshippin is also interpreted as bowing or prostrate which Muslims do too to thank God. Because they should be very happy to see Jesus.

Jesus will come in the very end of age and we believe that.

So Jesus directly did not say God is Trinity but Jesus said baptizing them in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit which can be interpreted in many ways. There is no direct statement!

 

[Techno2000]

So there should be some verses in Torah in which God say “we” but not “I”.

It wasn’t time for Man to come to the understanding of the Trinity, this would have to be done by Jesus himself, and his teachings.

 

[Servant19]

It wasn’t time for Man to come to the understanding of the Trinity, this would have to be done by Jesus himself, and his teachings.

Rings a bell…



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[Techno2000]

Rings a bell…



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I knew you would extrapolate that

 

[Techno2000]

Rings a bell…



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The only problem is that I can’t understand any of it.

 

[Servant19]

The only problem is that I can’t understand any of it.

You don’t want to understand it brother. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out

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[Techno2000]

You don’t want to understand it brother. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out

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This new Revelation should be even clearer than the Bible or the Koran,but I can’t make Heads or Tails of it.

 

[MartinJordan]

This new Revelation should be even clearer than the Bible or the Koran,but I can’t make Heads or Tails of it.

It’s quite simple T2. The Trinity is clearly established as One God. Be still and at rest my friend.

“Truly my soul finds rest in God; my salvation comes from him.” :harp:

Trinity is a shining mystery: “As only three, each is contained in the other, so that there is only one light, given the intimate interpenetration” (St. John Damascene).

MJ