If Gods essence is substantial, and His substance is present TO all things as an agent, then He is not IN all things then Vico. An agent present TO all things remains separate from all things. As Baha’i theology states, “the essence of God surrounds all things”
Indeed dear Reuben. Please note that while the Father possesses the potentiality to beget or not beget the Son, the Son does not have the potential to beget the Father.Hi. I guess this is out of my depth.But my answer would still be the same - if God wants to, He could do it, but He did not. He may be not necessarily do thing according to our human logic, that is why we find we are often puzzled at the things God did. But is it a surprise? Surely not. We were forewarned that God’s way is different from our ways and His thought is not our thought.
The Trinity is simple when the intellect understands the difference between divine essence and presence. The Trinity is simple when we do not limit God or place God in a box of carnal understanding. Faith supersedes the intellect here, when it is the Holy Spirit who teaches and reveals spiritual realities to our spirit and heart. No one has seen the Essence of Love, yet all humanity experiences love at different levels. Faith in love can see and speak of spiritual realities describes in spiritual terms.
Correction; In the Torah of Genesis reveals God sending and proceeding divine Love in creation when God speaks “Let US make man in OUR image”. I do not think you can find a Torah theologian to deny this.
When Jesus revealed the Trinity there were no Christians in Rome. You have been misinformed and do you have a witness or source who was living at the time to make such a far out claim about the Trinity. The Quran does not qualify because it comes into existence 700 years too late, besides the Quran does not teach a correct trinity as taught and revealed by Jesus Christ.
You are confusing what is eternal Essence, that does not come down to us, with divine presence who is made known in space and time.
No; God does not create His Word =Son, who is God, who is eternally begotten of the Father. When you say God, God is the fullness of the Trinity of persons existing One God, Love eternally present moves.
One God = Trinity does not beget. The presence of the Father (Love) begets the presence of (Love) the Son. God’s presence in eternity has no beginning and no end, how can one place God in a box and limit God to space and time and hand cuff God’s power to human standards and human thoughts? God = Love is not created, when Love is God.
Me tooHi. I guess this is out of my depth.
Lucky we can swim…! 
Where did BXVI talk about division? Let’s keep our hearts and minds focused on the good "spirit "of the matter and evaluate the words of BXVI properly. Again it’s They are… (the Old and New Testament) and not “There are…”Humbly, I would suggest more reflection is required. Maybe go into a quiet space for a few hours alone?
How can it be the Holy Spirit giving you the “Word of God” when He has spoken to 20,000 denominations?
The Holy Spirit should unite not divide. I suggest more reflection, because at this rate you are not reflecting, I’m suggesting…I don’t like to suggest these things…
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It may be. Can you tell from this?
One can be assured the Church focuses on Unity and always knows it has to Evangelize the Good News even if others “give up” through their own choice. There is only one God. The Church always champions the Almighty.Me too
I always look at it simplistically as the theology of it all though interesting, to me just complicates the basics.
First basic is we have been created to Know and Love God. From the beginning God has sent us His Message how God so chose to do so. Issues arise when we do not understand the message and when we Reject Gods Chosen Prophet/Messenger.
If God is One, then it stands to reason all is connected to this oneness. Thus our heart should be searching for this ultimate Unity.
Every thing being of God must likewise give us a reflection of what God wants us to understand.
Now the hard part, is using our free will to sort out what is of God and what is of Man, but is that as hard as we think?
This beings us to a subject like the Trinity and the meaning of it - Does the resulting explanation Divide or does it embrace the Oneness of God.
Then comes the thought, even a simple way of looking at it raises further complications
So at times one throws hands in the air and says, Heck there is only one God, get over it people and let’s Love God together
God bless and regards Tony
Interesting - From a Baha’i viewpoint Christ was Born of the Holy Spirit and I thought that was Biblical as well? Though subject to this world and all its influences, Christ was an incarnation of the Holy Spirit. This is the difference between the Manifestations and Man.
Unity in Diversity needs to be considered. How are the diverse beliefs reconciled to become a harmonious Whole, because as you have offered;One can be assured the Church focuses on Unity and always knows it has to Evangelize the Good News even if others “give up” through their own choice. There is only one God. The Church always champions the Almighty.
MJ
To be of the Holy Spirit seems to be, in Christian theology, to have the grace (help) of the Holy Spirit. That is different that to be be a divine person (Father, Son, or Holy Spirit). And it is not a metaphor. The Christian teaching is that in Jesus Christ is the hypostatic union of divine and human, and also that where any divine person is present, so are all.
Then I would have to suggest you are Still looking at it the wrong way
(After rereading what you said I think there may have been a misunderstanding, but have run out of time to reconsider a reply, thus leave it how it was
)And the …“Glory of the Father” is Bahá’u’lláh, right ?
This has an answer by Baha’u’llah in a Tablet called the LAWḤ-I-AQDAS (The Most Holy Tablet), also known as “Tablet to the Christians”.
But excluding Jesus Christ, all men that becomes adopted sons, will partake of the divine nature, as given in 2 Peter 1:44 By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises: that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature: flying the corruption of that concupiscence which is in the world.(After rereading what you said I think there may have been a misunderstanding, but have run out of time to reconsider a reply, thus leave it how it was
Again Interesting, as I can start to see the fine lines between both understandings - Baha’u’llah has stated that only the Manifestations are born of the Holy Spirit, being the perfect reflection of God’s Attributes. (As per your discussion with servant there is a lot more behind this)
We, man, can NEVER obtain this God given Station but to be a humble servant unto it. This is the Magnificence of Christ and the Prophets. Though born of Flesh they were always more then man. They are all of God and this is all we can ever know about God, what we see of them, hear of them and what was written of or by them.
Man is born of a Soul given at Conception. We partake of the Holy Spirit to the extent we polish the mirrors of our hearts to be able to reflect the Pure word of Christ or Baha’u’llah. The only way we can do this is to be Born Again, that is be born of the knowledge and Love of Jesus the Christ.
We see it as Christ Says in the Bible; The Father is greater than I, but at the same time the Father and I are One.
I apologize for my uneducated ramblings:blush: But the greatness of Christ is that He was Born of the Holy Spirit, this makes His Sacrifice infinitely Immense, as he had all power over His destiny but chose Gods Will to sacrifice Himself for the Sins of Mankind.
God Bless and Regards Tony
So here he is talking about himself ?
Why I can never get a straight answer …:banghead::banghead::banghead: