I see bread, wine, and prayer. Pseudo, fake, whatever you want to use to continue to use the word ‘communion’ as in a Catholic Host is not what is there.And the groups of people at Fransiscan U no doubt have permission to do so–if they don’t then they too should desist. This is the crux of the matter. In all liturgical matters the bishop has the final say. If this man is operating outside the knowledge and approval of his bishop he should change what he is doing. It’s not the gathering together that is the issue, it’s the pseudo communion he is offering.
Exactly why it shouldn’t be done by a CATHOLIC. He is not a priest or even a deacon. He has no business encouraging people to take a communion host as if they are receving the Eucharist when they are not receiving anything but bread. It’s illicit at the best and sacrilegious at the worst.I see bread, wine, and prayer. Pseudo, fake, whatever you want to use to continue to use the word ‘communion’ as in a Catholic Host is not what is there.
Exactly. Again, this is not how a Catholic ought to be encouraging people to fellowship with one another. It is illicit.If it’s not a consecrated host, it is bread.
When a Catholic offers communion wafers to Protestants on an altar, yes, it is. It’s illicit.Thanks for responding to the second example with consistency. So, to eat bread, drink wine and pray at the same time is wrong in your eyes.
That’s interesting. This is why this site is great.
It’s more than interesting it’s canon law. We Catholics have a hiearchy and we do things in a prescribed way. We don’t invent liturgy as we go along. It leads to confusion and even to sacrilege.Have a great rest of the week!
are the bread and wine consecrated ? and this taking place in chapel or church ?You should visit Franciscan University during the school year on a Saturday at 4-4:30 sometime. You’ll see a whole lot of people in small groups sharing bread, wine and prayer.
No consecration and the lay catholic say probably 3are the bread and wine consecrated ? and this taking place in chapel or church ?
I have no problem at all with praying with people of different faith traditions. I do it pretty regularly. This appears to be more than that. What is the purpose of sharing bread and wine that is not consecrated if one is Catholic? Why not have wine and cheese instead? The whole reason that this thread was started was because the OP went there for a Baptism. Baptism for lay Catholics is limited to emergencies only and they are not allowed to perform public Baptisms. This sounds like a lot more than just people gathering to fellowship with each other.Don’t want confusion here -
By Him, I’m talking about in the Word shared at their prayer. The whole “Where two or more are gathered” bit.
Bread and Wine are just those two things without consecration in a Catholic Mass.
With your second point, I lived it, I know it well. Thus my last point, I see it as the same thing as what is happening with this guy.
Essentially, fellowship and prayer.
From what has been written, I don’t see a guy trying to pretend to be a priest.
Lutherans would tell you to be very careful - going through the motions of the Divine Service without everything done properly would be quite troubling. In my opinion, it would be much better to omit the psudo-Eucharist and pray together.No consecration and the lay catholic say probably 3
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Not consecrated
It is permissible for a Deacon to preside over a communion service, but no layman can just go to the tabernacle and distribute communion. But you are correct. That is not the case in this situation.Is this just a communion service? No priest available but using consecrated hosts at a communion service?
This has happened just once in my parish because we had no priest but the the Body of Christ was there in the Tabernacle and given to us. My understanding is that it is legitimate.
I see by previous posts that this is not consecrated bread. So if not, perhaps this needs to be taken to the bishop.
Not to derail the thread, but no and no.are the bread and wine consecrated ? and this taking place in chapel or church ?
Odd, my first line died. I think knowing the history of the school helps identify why some things are done. To turn the school around in the late 70’s, early 80’s, one thing done was to create households, similar to sororities and frats, but with various Catholic appeal. All households have the Saturday time before dinner to share what they are thankful for in the week, and ask for prayers for things if needed. Then off to dinner as a household. The wine and bread are essentially used for who has the floor.I have no problem at all with praying with people of different faith traditions. I do it pretty regularly. This appears to be more than that. What is the purpose of sharing bread and wine that is not consecrated if one is Catholic? Why not have wine and cheese instead? The whole reason that this thread was started was because the OP went there for a Baptism. Baptism for lay Catholics is limited to emergencies only and they are not allowed to perform public Baptisms. This sounds like a lot more than just people gathering to fellowship with each other.
Before I returned to the church 3 years ago I went a number of times and after the baptism at the party I asked some questions this Sunday. I also went to a number of bible studies about 3 years ago. The guy that is charge even talked about the real presence because it was corpus christi Sunday and said but the church that they are in doesn’t have the real presence. I would say its catholic in teaching but not in practice.Your neighbors’ child who was baptized, who did the baptism? What religion do the parents practice?
It sounds as though this is some type of ecumenical church. The problem is what kind of theology is preached here, Catholic, Episcopal, Lutheran, or some mixture?
As good as this man’s intentions are, if he is acting without his bishop’s permission or knowledge, what he is doing is illicit and perhaps even sinful. This has to be reported to the bisbop so he can get a handle on this situation. I can’t imagine any bishop giving permission to an ordinary lay person to do the things you have described this man doing.Before I returned to the church 3 years ago I went a number of times and after the baptism at the party I asked some questions this Sunday. I also went to a number of bible studies about 3 years ago. The guy that is charge even talked about the real presence because it was corpus christi Sunday and said but the church that they are in doesn’t have the real presence. I would say its catholic in teaching but not in practice.
Of the baptized infant
The mother comes from a Southern baptist family and the husband/ father is a confirmed catholic. They where married outside the church, and it’s there only marriage
I know the guy leading the service asked them if they would rather get thier baby baptized in the catholic church. And I have had many conversations with the father about the positives about returning to the church
All you have to do is write a respectful letter to the bishop detailing what this man is doing. Let him take it from there.I wish I had the guts to say something especially now
That I know that this lay catholic is coming from the same
Parish Melinda gates attends and has influence in