United States Citizenship

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You know, I was just wondering if I could be a citizen of Vatican city. Finally, someone who understands me. 😃

Soooooo, are you single? :o And male? 😉
Married. You and my wife could be great friends. I have a son who will need a good Catholic wife, but he’s only 1/2 a year old, so you’ll have to wait a while…
 
I’ll pray for a good Catholic young man to be your multi-national knight in shining armor. He’ll come around, if that’s your vocation. 😉
 
Well, I beg to differ. With millions of people here (legal or illegal) and millions coming, I think it will. Plus, I grew up in Miami, which is so different because it has people from all over the world. Plus, It’s already happening in latin America and Europe.

Seriously, would it be such a bad things. Must we be so attached to these temporal and accidental identities?
that sounds like a taunt. if you don’t like the US or are offended by the very few obligations imposed on you, then I truly urge you to find another temporal and accidental identity. you’ve been blessed with LPR status, something that people pay a lot of money for and wait a long time to do legally and you complain about trifles which I guarantee you will also complain about no matter where you end up.
 
that sounds like a taunt. if you don’t like the US or are offended by the very few obligations imposed on you, then I truly urge you to find another temporal and accidental identity. you’ve been blessed with LPR status, something that people pay a lot of money for and wait a long time to do legally and you complain about trifles which I guarantee you will also complain about no matter where you end up.
I don’t giving up a third of my income is a few obligations.

As for you other comments, I think part of what bothers me is the way Americans bristle at the slightest criticism. America is the best in everything there ever was and everything that ever will be. A true city on the Hill. Period. And anyone who thinks there might be problems is the scum of the Earth. It’s this attitude, in everyne that bothers. It happens to be most prevlaent in americans, I have found.

Kendy
 
I don’t giving up a third of my income is a few obligations.

As for you other comments, I think part of what bothers me is the way Americans bristle at the slightest criticism. America is the best in everything there ever was and everything that ever will be. A true city on the Hill. Period. And anyone who thinks there might be problems is the scum of the Earth. It’s this attitude, in everyne that bothers. It happens to be most prevlaent in americans, I have found.

Kendy
But, not in all!

Christ’s peace.
 
“that sounds like a taunt. if you don’t like the US or are offended by the very few obligations imposed on you, then I truly urge you to find another temporal and accidental identity.”

That’s real mature. Believe it or not, Wirraway there are Americans who see the positive and the negative in this country. Considering how many of our babies we legally execute prior to birth, I would calm down a bit in nationalistic pride.
 
I don’t giving up a third of my income is a few obligations.

As for you other comments, I think part of what bothers me is the way Americans bristle at the slightest criticism. America is the best in everything there ever was and everything that ever will be. A true city on the Hill. Period. And anyone who thinks there might be problems is the scum of the Earth. It’s this attitude, in everyne that bothers. It happens to be most prevlaent in americans, I have found.

Kendy
As a natural-born American citizen, I agree with you. We claim to be this great Christian nation but are unable to examine our collective actions and admit our own faults. Those who bring up any faults are called unpatriotic and “hate” America…blah, blah, blah.
 
“that sounds like a taunt. if you don’t like the US or are offended by the very few obligations imposed on you, then I truly urge you to find another temporal and accidental identity.”

That’s real mature. Believe it or not, Wirraway there are Americans who see the positive and the negative in this country. Considering how many of our babies we legally execute prior to birth, I would calm down a bit in nationalistic pride.
Thanks you.
 
Well, I think my house is different than the hundred of miles that makes up the United States, which contains areas that seem to have no connection with each other other cultural other than they fall under some power’s jurisdiction.
National identity like your family living in your home have a purpose and meaning I think you understand.
Of course, it makes sense to organize spehere of governance so that there is order. But I guess, I just hate it when people act like it’s something sacred. Like the recent court case, where the Mexican government claimed we violated a treaty and the Supreme Court rule that we don’t hvae to listen to Mexicans (ok, maybe that’s not exactly what they said.) But I guess, I just want to have a more cooperative approach to the rest of the world. After all, ultimately the world is the Lord’s
Land often is sacred. God may have given humans the world but He also gave the ancient Jews Israel.
But a living wage for who? I am ok with Mexicans seeking a living wage wherever they find it as long as business owners have jobs to offer them. As dor a strong manufacturing base, I think we are all better off when manufacturer’s from all over the world compete. I don’t think we should shelter our business.
It’s humane, I think to want to see everyone in the world lifted up.
For those who fought for it and continue to do so. I am not a fan of unions, but they serve a purpose at times. People organized to demand safe working conditions and decent wages from employers. Because Americans as a people reject slave labor from children we made minimum age requirements law to protect children. We don’t force our laws on Mexico or China because of sovereignty and national bounderies.

If the US goes to war with China will they make the weapons and sell them to us to use against them? Forget war, why should the US worker get paid $20 an hour to make shoes when the illegal Mexican will do it for $5 an hour as long as he stays quiet and works longer than the US worker. The shoes still cost the same to me whether the illigal Mexican makes them, the Hindu in India, or the American. The business owners make a bigger profit, a slave is made with the Mexican and if the Indian is made better off he is so at the expense of the American.

Free the Mexican slave by making him legal? He wants $20 an hour now too…and the cycle continues.

I’ll help the Mexicans free their own country of corruption if they want as soon as I am done freeing mine.
Well, I guess I do think that the United Nations has an important role to play Perhaps, we can conceive of a more democratic systems for it, but I hate when Americans act like they don’t have to listen to anybody. In a global world, there might need to be some things that are decided on a transnational level as long as those thing are limited.
America has conceived of a form of government. It’s too bad we have strayed from it. Read that book I mentioned. It’s small, but very informative.

In a response to another post you mentioned traveling abroad and mentioned Poland and the Philippines. I have not been to Poland but I have been to the Philippines twice, once last year for my wife’s parents 50th anniversary. She and her parents are naturalized citizens of the US. She moved here when she was 20 to be a nurse and I met her when she was 32. She was a citizen for about 8 yrs before we met. Her parents lived and worked in the US at different times but eventually both were in the US from the early 90’s until a few years ago. He worked in Home Depot and she in Wal-Mart the whole time before gaining citizenship themselves just before the year 2000. They have now retired with a small Social Security pension back in the Philippines where they are happy but still very poor. They are rich with family, and better off than most Filipino’s but compared to the average American, and many Mexicans they are still in poverty. They will travel to the US once a year for a month to maintain citizenship. (They arrive in a few weeks!) Her dad and I spoke politics last year and like in Mexico corruption and graft are part of the culture. We have Filipino TV stations so I see their news often.

The difference: the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. We legalize our corruption in the form of political parties though it is not the intent of the founding documents. I think we used to follow it closer, but not so much lately. Register to vote. Help me get it back.
 
National identity like your family living in your home have a purpose and meaning I think you understand.
But that’s my point. I think Mexicans are my family members too. I recognize my faith family first, but then I recognize the human family.

For those who fought for it and continue to do so. I am not a fan of unions, but they serve a purpose at times. People organized to demand safe working conditions and decent wages from employers. Because Americans as a people reject slave labor from children we made minimum age requirements law to protect children. We don’t force our laws on Mexico or China because of sovereignty and national bounderies.

If the US goes to war with China will they make the weapons and sell them to us to use against them? Forget war, why should the US worker get paid $20 an hour to make shoes when the illegal Mexican will do it for $5 an hour as long as he stays quiet and works longer than the US worker. The shoes still cost the same to me whether the illigal Mexican makes them, the Hindu in India, or the American. The business owners make a bigger profit, a slave is made with the Mexican and if the Indian is made better off he is so at the expense of the American.

Free the Mexican slave by making him legal? He wants $20 an hour now too…and the cycle continues.

I think you have your economics wrong. Labor works in the same supply and demand as all other goods. If Mexicans become legal, they won’t necessarily get US wages because they will change labor equation.

We live in a global economy where everyone is competing for goods and services. In the long run, we all benefit from this process.

America has conceived of a form of government. It’s too bad we have strayed from it. Read that book I mentioned. It’s small, but very informative.

In a response to another post you mentioned traveling abroad and mentioned Poland and the Philippines. I have not been to Poland but I have been to the Philippines twice, once last year for my wife’s parents 50th anniversary. She and her parents are naturalized citizens of the US. She moved here when she was 20 to be a nurse and I met her when she was 32. She was a citizen for about 8 yrs before we met. Her parents lived and worked in the US at different times but eventually both were in the US from the early 90’s until a few years ago. He worked in Home Depot and she in Wal-Mart the whole time before gaining citizenship themselves just before the year 2000. They have now retired with a small Social Security pension back in the Philippines where they are happy but still very poor. They are rich with family, and better off than most Filipino’s but compared to the average American, and many Mexicans they are still in poverty. They will travel to the US once a year for a month to maintain citizenship. (They arrive in a few weeks!) Her dad and I spoke politics last year and like in Mexico corruption and graft are part of the culture. We have Filipino TV stations so I see their news often.

The difference: the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. We legalize our corruption in the form of political parties though it is not the intent of the founding documents. I think we used to follow it closer, but not so much lately. Register to vote. Help me get it back.

I appreciate you and everyone who has welcomed me to participate in this process. It makes me feel good about being a part of it. There are a lot of problems in Haiti too. And of course, the biggest problem with Haiti is that the best people leave instead of trying to fix it. At some point, I will pick a flawed community to belong to and try to make it better.

Kendy
 
YesHow free am I when half of my money (which means half of my energies) goes to causes that I would never support, including subsidizing abortion, subsidizing ethanol farmers at the expense of third world countries who are now struggling to pay for food as a result of that policy. And how about my freedoms as a Christians? Are you aware of how many Christians institutions are being forced to provide contraception, like catholic charities.
I thought that contraception was a mortal sin. So why should Catholics have to pay tases to support this type of immoral activity? I have to agree with you on this. Not to mention to have to support torture such as was seen at Abu Ghraib.
 
I thought that contraception was a mortal sin. So why should Catholics have to pay tases to support this type of immoral activity? I have to agree with you on this. Not to mention to have to support torture such as was seen at Abu Ghraib.
I think I would feel better if I really felt like catholics were united and focused on being salt and light in this darkness. I have rightly been accused of complaining, but I don’t feel like there’s any I can do. Or that there are real outlets to make a difference. Where does one go to be a part of a real catholic community that wants to change the world.

Right now, I just feel like my money will continue to go to wasteful and immoral projects and there’s nothing I can do. 😦
 
Right now, I just feel like my money will continue to go to wasteful and immoral projects and there’s nothing I can do. 😦
I know what you mean. Birth control, abortion, police taking children away from their parents, support for immorality forced on the people of Iraq and other parts of the world, support for chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons that can wipe out all of humanity. And where is the choice or the freedom to do anything about it?
 
“that sounds like a taunt. if you don’t like the US or are offended by the very few obligations imposed on you, then I truly urge you to find another temporal and accidental identity.”

That’s real mature. Believe it or not, Wirraway there are Americans who see the positive and the negative in this country. Considering how many of our babies we legally execute prior to birth, I would calm down a bit in nationalistic pride.
Yes, this is real mature. The OP is posting in a country with guaranteed personal liberties including freedom of speech and he has the gall to trash it as a “temporal and accidental identity”. I assure you, sir, this “temporal and accidental identity” was bought and paid for at a very high cost. Memorial Day is next month, I suggest you spare a few minutes to think about that.

I am fully aware of the many shortcomings of this country which include the horrors of abortion and a long list of social injustices. You and the OP may find it chic to regard this as a “temporal and accidental identity” and the OP muses about departing, but I note that both of you are still here, enjoying benefits that far, far outweigh the downside. No one ever promised you that living in a republic means having everything your way. This isn’t Burger King. .
 
I don’t giving up a third of my income is a few obligations.

As for you other comments, I think part of what bothers me is the way Americans bristle at the slightest criticism. America is the best in everything there ever was and everything that ever will be. A true city on the Hill. Period. And anyone who thinks there might be problems is the scum of the Earth. It’s this attitude, in everyne that bothers. It happens to be most prevlaent in americans, I have found.

Kendy
One third of your income is taxed? Horrendous, perhaps incorporation is an option. FYI, here’s a link to tax rates around the world. They’re all comparable to the USA. Bulgaria and Lebanon look promising though.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

No one is saying this is a city on the hill and I don’t consider you “scum”. This country has deep flaws, but on the other hand has unlimited potential. Witness the last 50 years of social and economic reform. The use of strawman argumentation is childish.

Why am I bristling? I am from a family of east European Jewish refugrees who came here in the 1920s. An uncle (Army) I never met earned an unmarked grave in the Philippines in '42. Dad (USN) was in WW2 and Korea. A brother (USN) served in VN. I am a retired naval officer. We – and hundreds of thousands like us – paid for your right to display your ingratitude.
 
I know what you mean. Birth control, abortion, police taking children away from their parents, support for immorality forced on the people of Iraq and other parts of the world, support for chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons that can wipe out all of humanity. And where is the choice or the freedom to do anything about it?
You have the right to vote, assemble, petition for the redress of grievances, speak, strike, protest or engage in civil disobedience. I suggest you use these rights.
 
You have the right to vote, assemble, petition for the redress of grievances, speak, strike, protest or engage in civil disobedience. I suggest you use these rights.
Even though i used those rights, still I have a government that engages in torture and incarceration of accused people. Take a look at the pictures from Abu Ghraib. And recently, there was news that these methods of interrogation were approved at the higher levels. Further, the government forces people to pay taxes to support the killing of unborn children. Why should I have to work and pay taxes to support the killing of children? There is a commandment that I have learned about in catechism class: Thou shalt not kill. And how many millions of these tax dollars are going to waste in Iraq? I have read that many of the officials there are corrupt and the money does not go for its intended target. And how many innocent children have been killed in this war. And what about the horrible chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons that are being built all with the possibility of killing innocent of milions civilians? Is it really moral to pay taxes to support these enterprises?
 
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