United States the New Sodom & Gomorrah?

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Now that the United States has a month dedicated to sodomy, does this mean that the U.S. will have the same fate as the cities Sodom & Gomorrah and that everyone living in the U.S. is as corrupted as was everyone who did not escape Sodom & Gomorrah, i.e., everyone except Lot et al.? If so, must there be a mass exodus of faithful Catholics leaving the U.S. before God allows it to be destroyed, else these Catholics become corrupted, too? At what point is Catholic acculturation with the secular U.S. impossible, if ever? Thanks
 
Now that the United States has a month dedicated to sodomy, does this mean that the U.S. will have the same fate as the cities Sodom & Gomorrah and that everyone living in the U.S. is as corrupted as was everyone who did not escape Sodom & Gomorrah, i.e., everyone except Lot et al.? If so, must there be a mass exodus of faithful Catholics leaving the U.S. before God allows it to be destroyed, else these Catholics become corrupted, too? At what point is Catholic acculturation with the secular U.S. impossible, if ever? Thanks
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Sounds a lot like the Westboro Baptist Church teachings.
 
:confused: What do you mean?

Sounds a lot like the Westboro Baptist Church teachings.
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That’s EXACTLY what I thought!

I didn’t know that the USA had a month devoted to sodomy. If so, it wouldn’t surprise me if God would bring his wrath upon this nation.
 
We have actually thought about moving to Malta. 96% Catholic Nation. A little island in the Med.Sea.
 
:confused: What do you mean?

Sounds a lot like the Westboro Baptist Church teachings.
That does sound like something Fred Phelps would say. However, didn’t God say to Abraham that He would spare Sodom and Gomorrah if there were as few as ten righteous people living there? I know a lot more than ten righteous people who don’t conform to everything that Hollywood and Madison Avenue say.

If the US culture isn’t going to accept Catholics, that’s just too bad. If we become outcasts, so what? “Blessed are those who are persecuted for the sake of justice”.

On the other hand, why be pessimistic? Our once great nation promoted Christianity and a culture of life. Remember the 1950s? Back then, it was normal to be a Christian. We can bring this country back to its senses!
 
I wonder if the OP meant with President Obama declaring June to be the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered Pride Month. That really made me shiver. . .
 
The United States is the greatest country in the world. If you don’t like it, then get out. If your complaining about the “immorality” then do your best to change it, or move.

It’s not a zero sum game where the United States is either pure as dove or guilty of murderous offenses. If you think we are so debauched, take a look at Europe.

Thankfully, people who DO think that the US is “Sodom & Gomorrah” are so small in number that they really don’t mean much. Are there some problems in the States? Yes! Are some things dirty in our culture? Absolutely! Is the there so much beauty in the States that it humbles me? YES!
 
The United States is the greatest country in the world. If you don’t like it, then get out. If your complaining about the “immorality” then do your best to change it, or move.

It’s not a zero sum game where the United States is either pure as dove or guilty of murderous offenses. If you think we are so debauched, take a look at Europe.

Thankfully, people who DO think that the US is “Sodom & Gomorrah” are so small in number that they really don’t mean much. Are there some problems in the States? Yes! Are some things dirty in our culture? Absolutely! Is the there so much beauty in the States that it humbles me? YES!
I don’t want to be relativist, but you’re right about Europe. And look at China! Censorship, child slavery, countless executions/abortions every day, intellectual property stolen, and subjugation of women. We need to remember that nobody is as perfect as God and that you can’t let a few bad apples ruin the orchard.

I’m thankful that the American government acknowledges my right to worship God, to speak out against her policies that I see as immoral, and to not be afraid of the government censoring me. I don’t deny that we have immorality in our culture, but we have the right to express our disapproval without being shot.
 
It IS a great country, but certain individuals and groups have been guilty of great sins in its name (of course, other individuals and groups have performed great good in its name too).

I don’t believe that the country as a whole though should either be ‘pilloried’ for the sins of individuals, nor ‘exalted’ for the great deeds of other individuals. . .

UNLESS those sins or goods were specifically performed either in adherence to, or defiance of, God’s Law, and the ‘average man’ either contributed to the good, or did not try to ‘stop’ the bad.

I’m thinking specifically of abortion here. That is a huge blot on the mainly proud and God-fearing U.S. escutcheon. Unfortunately for many U.S. people, while a small minority actively perform or legally permit these abortions, and while a small minority actively advocate, pray, or otherwise try to legally HALT the abortions, a great number of people have just ‘sat by’ and refused to ‘get involved’.

I don’t believe that every man and woman in Sodom and Gomorrah was actively out there having gay sex. . .but probably quite a few were ‘all right’ with it provided it didn’t interfere with their personal lives, you know? Or didn’t LIKE it but didn’t want to look stupid or ‘fanatic’ by protesting. Or rationalized not speaking against the sins for a variety of reasons. In the end though they were not found righteous even if they personally didn’t really ‘support’ the evil. . .because they didn’t speak AGAINST it.

And I wonder how close we are or have been ‘skating’ to the moral edge on this especially in the last few decades. . .

But I still love and support the U.S. and feel the majority of people, if pressed, will do the right thing.
 
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I’m thankful that the American government acknowledges my right to worship God, to speak out against her policies that I see as immoral, and to not be afraid of the government censoring me. I don’t deny that we have immorality in our culture, but we have the right to express our disapproval without being shot.
At the very least, we should be thankful of these things. People who don’t are ungrateful, in my opinion, to God for creating the greatest country in the history of the world.

Believe me, I don’t adopt the “My country, right or wrong” way of thinking, but nor do I say, “My country, always wrong”. There is total rubbish in the culture, I agree 100 percent. But there is beauty as well.
 
I don’t want to be relativist, but you’re right about Europe. And look at China! Censorship, child slavery, countless executions/abortions every day, intellectual property stolen, and subjugation of women. We need to remember that nobody is as perfect as God and that you can’t let a few bad apples ruin the orchard.

I’m thankful that the American government acknowledges my right to worship God, to speak out against her policies that I see as immoral, and to not be afraid of the government censoring me. I don’t deny that we have immorality in our culture, but we have the right to express our disapproval without being shot.
And look at history of old testamant times, and of new testament times. Just within the western world, there have been many evils that went on for centuries that we couldn’t comprehend in our society. Sexual impurity not for lust, but as sacrafice to “gods”, The Church and governments have killed people or movements contrary to “their” best interest or teachings for many years. Periods of brutality, and peace. Wars, Wars, Wars. Clergy concubines for centruries. During the reformation, people were burned alive with women and children in churches because (both sides) they belived slightly different. Governments killed saints, and the CHURCH killed some saints, not to mention scientists who turned out to be correct. Really study history when we long for the good old days, and don’t fall into the trap that everything is getting worse. Sure, some things are rapidly declining, while others are improving. I’m sure there are many african americans (and even European ethnic minorities) that are very happy for the “progress” we have made in some areas. Remember, just two hundred years ago, some prominent politicians thought the best way to resolve a dispute was to duel to the death.

I’m not making light of any sin, and it certainly appears the Bible does not approve of homosexuality, however if how did Ezekiel define the sin of sodom?

Ezekiel defines it as “pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy”

This crucifies me much more than the fact that a president dedicated a month to a group of people that are caught in sin. Hate the world, meaning evil in the world, so that you can improve upon it. Pray, and most importantly live a non-judgemental encouraging life. Provide an example of heathy relationships to your family and all those you meet. I’m not saying we can’t comment on sin, but I’d prefer we tried to awaken a sleeping giant of Catholic FAITH, Good works, charity, community, because we really need to do that to help change sinners with compassion the way Jesus did.

There has to be a message for us that sinner looking for mercy went away with more grace than the pious who was thankful he didn’t sin like the rest. There has to be a message in the fact Jesus spent much more time dealing with the hypocracy of religous and spending time with perceived sinners.

Let’s all pray for discernment to help in all ways by example with compassion and love.

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to awaken a sleeping giant of Catholic FAITH, Good works, charity, community, because we really need to do that to help change sinners with compassion the way Jesus did.

There has to be a message for us that sinner looking for mercy went away with more grace than the pious who was thankful he didn’t sin like the rest. There has to be a message in the fact Jesus spent much more time dealing with the hypocracy of religous and spending time with perceived sinners.

Let’s all pray for discernment to help in all ways by example with compassion and love.

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And that’s the way to do it. Nobody is going to take Christianity seriously if we have people like Fred Phelps screaming fire and brimstone in everyone’s face, because that’s not what Christianity is about.
 
I don’t know about the US but where I live the evidence that we are being ‘punished’ is quite clear. However, we are soo blinded by our arrogance and science that we don’t see it.

That said, Sodom and Gomorrah weren’t just homosexual countries they were also countries so corrupt that they were RAPING people, and this was considered normal, okay behavior. Their corrupt nature went far deeper then what the US has scratched the surface of… that’s not to say things aren’t going to get worse just that they aren’t as bad as you seem to think… yet.
 
I think I was listening to Father Corapi on the radio one morning (pretty sure it was him) who said that," Sodom & Gomorrah compared to the United States… Sodom & Gomorrah should be asking for a refund!" I had to giggle.😃

Paul
 
I think I was listening to Father Corapi on the radio one morning (pretty sure it was him) who said that," Sodom & Gomorrah compared to the United States… Sodom & Gomorrah should be asking for a refund!" I had to giggle.😃

Paul
Is he saying it from America? How ironic. One of the most religious countries in the world…yeah, there is alot of similarity between the two.
 
Is he saying it from America? How ironic. One of the most religious countries in the world…yeah, there is alot of similarity between the two.
Honestly? If I were judging your country based on what I see from the outside I’d have a VERY hard time believing that (actually, I still do have a really hard time believing it but I understand I am not American, nor have I ever set foot on American soil so I am in no position to judge).

Just watching your television and the junk your movie makers churn out would actually make me think the opposite.
 
Honestly? If I were judging your country based on what I see from the outside I’d have a VERY hard time believing that (actually, I still do have a really hard time believing it but I understand I am not American, nor have I ever set foot on American soil so I am in no position to judge).

Just watching your television and the junk your movie makers churn out would actually make me think the opposite.
Don’t look at the media. Take a look at the PEOPLE. See our churches, where people still go. See our young people, who are beginning to view divorce and abortion as something very wrong.

Hollywood movies are floundering-big time. Take a look at their returns.

And, my friend-you are in a position to judge our culture. Just take a look and observe-but also look at the people. Not all of us are like we are portrayed, in fact, very few of us are!
 
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