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Why can’t we focus on what we have in common instead of focusing on our differences? Why does t have to be Catholic vs. Protestant in this forum? I have been Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, and attend an Episcopalian church sometimes, and denominations do not matter to me. We are all Christians. All churches I’ve been to pray that the church of Christ will be one.

What do you think?
 
All churches I’ve been to pray that the church of Christ will be one.
Really? Then why do churches keep dividing and keep coming up with new theologies to differentiate themselves?

The Early Church was One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. That is the model we should be looking at.
 
Why can’t we focus on what we have in common instead of focusing on our differences? Why does t have to be Catholic vs. Protestant in this forum? I have been Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, and attend an Episcopalian church sometimes, and denominations do not matter to me. We are all Christians. All churches I’ve been to pray that the church of Christ will be one.

What do you think?
Hi Lisa,

We all share your passion which comes from chapter 17 of John and we all should strive for this unity.

If all these churches pray the church of Christ “will be” one, this would lead one to assume they do not believe the church is already one, which I agree with, and still this is a paradigm that not all Christians see or agree with. It is this “will be one” that looks differently to each of us from the most conservative to the most relative. Until each of us begin to understand what Jesus’ meaning of “being one” is, the church will continue to splinter at worst or debate and define at best.

Peace be with you!!!
 
Why can’t we focus on what we have in common instead of focusing on our differences? Why does t have to be Catholic vs. Protestant in this forum? I have been Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, and attend an Episcopalian church sometimes, and denominations do not matter to me. We are all Christians. All churches I’ve been to pray that the church of Christ will be one.

What do you think?
We can do that to a point, but to ignore our differences would be to do a disservice to the Truth. There are many areas we can and should very legitimately cooperate but when it comes to things like the nature and number of the sacraments, whether Christ founded a visible Church and left us a sacrificial/sacramental priesthood or even the number of works in the canon of Sacred Scripture, we can’t simply brush our disagreements about them under the carpet can we?

We can get to a point of cooperation by focusing on our common attributes, and I believe we should defiantly do so, but we can’t do that without truth because charity without truth rapidly descends into a sugary sentimentality which will ruin any genuine relationship of trust.
 
Why can’t we focus on what we have in common instead of focusing on our differences? Why does t have to be Catholic vs. Protestant in this forum? I have been Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, and attend an Episcopalian church sometimes, and denominations do not matter to me. We are all Christians. All churches I’ve been to pray that the church of Christ will be one.

What do you think?
Well apart the obvious theological differences, there’s also the fact that there is a certain arrogance that prevails among some Christians of varying denominations that prevent full unity - and I mean* all of the denominations*.

Additionally, the fact that the bulk of us live in areas where there is no physical persecution doesn’t really accelerate the need for Christian unity.

I wonder how important the differences become in areas like China, Egypt, and India, where our brothers are being persecuted on a regular basis.
 
Really? Then why do churches keep dividing and keep coming up with new theologies to differentiate themselves?

The Early Church was One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. That is the model we should be looking at.
Exactly.
 
The name of the forum would suggest that most of what transpires here is about the Catholic faith posted for the most part by Catholics. All faiths, and those with no faith, do post and start threads like you just did but this is called CAF. So, by the very nature of the name Catholics will gravitate here to pursue and discuss our faith. Our faiths have some common ground but much of what we believe is not held true in other faiths. Because even among Catholics there are those who have not been properly formed and educated the specifics are frequently discussed here and so the differences from other faiths jump right out at those who don’t believe with us. If we are to stay true to our beliefs when a Catholic vs Protestant issue is raised we must defend the truth. We can not let our silence give authority to something which is simply not part of our doctrine. Hopefully, if you think about it, we have to defend what we believe with others but sometimes even other Catholics.
 
We can do that to a point, but to ignore our differences would be to do a disservice to the Truth. There are many areas we can and should very legitimately cooperate but when it comes to things like the nature and number of the sacraments, whether Christ founded a visible Church and left us a sacrificial/sacramental priesthood or even the number of works in the canon of Sacred Scripture, we can’t simply brush our disagreements about them under the carpet can we?

We can get to a point of cooperation by focusing on our common attributes, and I believe we should defiantly do so, but we can’t do that without truth because charity without truth rapidly descends into a sugary sentimentality which will ruin any genuine relationship of trust.
Indeed. We are called to preach the Gospel, whole and entire. If we complete ignore parts of the revelation God has given us because there is disagreement then we are guilty of preaching a different Gospel and would place ourselves under condemnation (cf. Galatians 1:8).
 
Well apart the obvious theological differences, there’s also the fact that there is a certain arrogance that prevails among some Christians of varying denominations that prevent full unity - and I mean* all of the denominations*.

Additionally, the fact that the bulk of us live in areas where there is no physical persecution doesn’t really accelerate the need for Christian unity.

I wonder how important the differences become in areas like China, Egypt, and India, where our brothers are being persecuted on a regular basis.
Good points. Thanks for sharing.

I belong to a LinkedIn group called Christian Professionals Worldwide. We belong to many denominations and live in different countries, but we choose to focus on unity.

Jesus prayed that His followers would be one.
 
Why can’t we focus on what we have in common instead of focusing on our differences? Why does t have to be Catholic vs. Protestant in this forum? I have been Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, and attend an Episcopalian church sometimes, and denominations do not matter to me. We are all Christians. All churches I’ve been to pray that the church of Christ will be one.

What do you think?
Friend, for many of us true Unity is found in Christ alone…our common experience of His grace and mercy in our lives. If I am in union with Him…and you are in union with Him…and the Catholic and Episcopalian and Methodist are in union with HIm and share in His Sprit we are One in Him. The same love and Spirit he bestows to each of us makes us one…In HIM.

For others unity boils down to being a member of a particualar faith tradition…it’s centered on a particular church community…a particualar leadership…that type of unity is one that will simply never take place This Side.🙂
 
Because if protestants or Roman Catholics are right there are huge implications for the faith.
 
=Lisa1967;10620075]Why can’t we focus on what we have in common instead of focusing on our differences? Why does t have to be Catholic vs. Protestant in this forum? I have been Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, and attend an Episcopalian church sometimes, and denominations do not matter to me. We are all Christians. All churches I’ve been to pray that the church of Christ will be one.
What do you think?
Its a good and fair question.🙂

If by “unity” is meant comming to as Christ taught and Commanded; comming to a single set of Faith belifs [biblically provable:thumbsup:]; it’s a huge task that only God himself can make happen.

Mans ego; pride, hard-heartedness are HUGE obysticals:blush:

Because there IS only One God

There can be and IS only One set of Faith believes that God can [and does] hold as true. Our Perfect god simply cannot hold contrary views on the same defined issues. IMPOSSIBLE. And God certianly did not wait a 1,000 Years for the Great Eastern Schism; or longer for King henry; or even longer for Luther, Calvin and Smith to expoase His Singular truth.

“ALL Salvation Must and does flow through the CC” because its the only church taked about in the bible; the only church and only faith founded by Christ and God’s singular truth; all of which by using the entire bible is proveable.

I don’t mean to “rain on your sunny proposal” but it has to start with the truth. Singular:)
 
It’s hard for Protestants to understand this, because most Protestant churches do not claim to be the one true faith. Thus, a child can grow up going to a Methodist church and then attend a Presbyterian one as an adult and have that be perfectly acceptable to his/her parents. Not so in Catholicism.
 
Seemsto me there are two terms: Catholic and Roman Catholic. Roman Catholic is a denomination and Catholic refers to all churches and the fully Body of Christ. I agree - why should it be that this site is Cath. versus NonCatholics.

I figure, let the eccumenical council debate the differences and hammer out common understanding and ameliorate misunderstanding. I think grassroots catholics and protestants need to just accept each other and lead the way for our leaders.

As a Catholic, I can say that I am so thankful to many protestant people who have mentored me, helped me grow as a christian, and encouraged me to stick with my Catholic faith. I think we can all learn from each other. I do not believe the Holy Spirit is bound by denominational boundaries and nor should we be. The early church had many differences from community to community (example: circumcision) and did not allow difference to split the church. We need to see the value in all brethren - whether catholic or protestant.

I figure it is not my office to solve this problem as there is an eccumenical council which has that job. So, I suppose…I am just called to love everyone regardless of denomination - sure we have differences but, like you said, concentrate on what we have in common. Daily, I am thankful for my protestant brothers who encouraged me to read scipture.
 
Seemsto me there are two terms: Catholic and Roman Catholic. Roman Catholic is a denomination and Catholic refers to all churches and the fully Body of Christ. I agree - why should it be that this site is Cath. versus NonCatholics.

I figure, let the eccumenical council debate the differences and hammer out common understanding and ameliorate misunderstanding. I think grassroots catholics and protestants need to just accept each other and lead the way for our leaders.

As a Catholic, I can say that I am so thankful to many protestant people who have mentored me, helped me grow as a christian, and encouraged me to stick with my Catholic faith. I think we can all learn from each other. I do not believe the Holy Spirit is bound by denominational boundaries and nor should we be. The early church had many differences from community to community (example: circumcision) and did not allow difference to split the church. We need to see the value in all brethren - whether catholic or protestant.

I figure it is not my office to solve this problem as there is an eccumenical council which has that job. So, I suppose…I am just called to love everyone regardless of denomination - sure we have differences but, like you said, concentrate on what we have in common. Daily, I am thankful for my protestant brothers who encouraged me to read scipture.
The Catholic Church is not a denomination. Protestants have denominations. There are differences among the rites of the Catholic Church, which are acceptable and vary according to location, but the differences espoused by Protestants usually amount to well-intentioned heresy.
 
“ALL Salvation Must and does flow through the CC” because its the only church taked about in the bible; the only church and only faith founded by Christ and God’s singular truth; all of which by using the entire bible is proveable.

I don’t mean to “rain on your sunny proposal” but it has to start with the truth. Singular:)
Some Protestants have enough anti-Catholic vitriol to be of no use being in the neighborhood of ecumenical dialogue, to themselves or anyone else.

I guess it shouldn’t surprise me that there’s a Catholic version of that.
 
I figure, let the eccumenical council debate the differences and hammer out common understanding and ameliorate misunderstanding. I think grassroots catholics and protestants need to just accept each other and lead the way for our leaders.
I agree.

On a related note, I sometimes wish the laypeople of the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant churches would let our respective leaders handle the great majority of the theological apologetic efforts, while we laypeople concentrated on working together and being good neighbors to each other. I’ve seen more than a few obnoxious amateur apologetics from all sides that seem harmful rather than helpful; meanwhile, religious leaders who are interested in ecumenical dialogue are better trained in good communication skills than many of us.
 
Some Protestants have enough anti-Catholic vitriol to be of no use being in the neighborhood of ecumenical dialogue, to themselves or anyone else.

I guess it shouldn’t surprise me that there’s a Catholic version of that.
Hi Monergistic—

I’ve been at CAF for awhile, and, though I disagree with PJM, I think his intentions are good, not vitriolic. I have indeed seen Catholic “haters”, but I wouldn’t put PJM among them.
 
The Catholic Church does indeed provide the fullness of faith in the revelation of Christ.

To know Christ, we look to the history of salvation of people. We do that through the Word of God – in how it is lived out with the people, not a stand-alone Bible text.

The Church looks to faith as God coming to a gathering of people with shared view of God and lawful authority in providing and affirming that what they understand of God is truth, and not someone’s interpretation that can only bring division and dissension among people of faith.

The Catholic Church is apostolic, meaning that we come to know Christ through the Oral Tradition – the Apostles being sent out to witness Christ after being chosen and formed by Him, living with Him and dialoguing, arguing, clarifying Who He is and His mission.

The Catholic Church follows the Septuagint interpretation to this day – the very one the Apostles and St. Paul had followed from ancient texts that anticipated the nature and mission of Jesus Christ.

The next part of truth of Jesus Christ is then, how was the apostolic faith transmitted and passed down. This is called Sacred Tradition, that is so often misunderstood by non-denominational Christians who have lost faith in the 7 sacraments, only having the one initial sacrament of Baptism. The concrete reality here is the one who baptizes using water and rite words…affirming creed in the Trinity.

When the Glorified Lord entered the throne of heaven before the Heaven Father, His entrance released the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and thus the birth of Christ’s Church.

Early Christians were baptized and confirmed in Christ — confirmation strengthening their faith and assisting them not to denounce Christ in the face of terrible persecutions and death. Many were sustained daily by the reception of the Eucharist.

To receive baptism is indeed a Catholic rite of initiation and those who receive Trinitarian baptism are received into the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Mystical Church. But they become full members when they affirm the faith of Christ in the Eucharist.

To us, Sacred Scriptures lead and are fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and it is Jesus Christ Who is speaking to us through Sacred Scripture, Jesus is LOGOS…the Living Word of God, and that is fulfilled in Jesus, the Word Made Flesh.

You cannot enter into the sacred mystery of Christ without His flesh for the complete revelation of Him to us, and the Eucharist must be provided to us by those consecrated by Him with the laying on of hands by licit bishops in communion with the Holy Father and other bishops. The Orthodox have licit Eucharist but are in schism.

The chosen books of Sacred Scripture, the Liturgy as Christ’s fulfilled worship, the administration of the Church by bishop, presbyter, deacon and priest, and the composition of the Creed were intact by 100 AD, and this structure of Church has been intact for 2,000 years.

The final revelation of Christ was in Nicea…the Nicene Creed, Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, of one substance with the Father, Alpha and Omega, with no beginning or end, St. Athanasius.

St Peter exhorted us to listen to them the apostles, Christ’s chosen witnesses…not one man or two, but the 12…communion!! And to avoid personal interpretation.

When we have Holy Father, bishops in communion, we enter into the most full communion with the Holy Trinity, the goal of every faithful believer.

The essence of Catholicism then is communion, sacred communion with God and with each other and with God’s creation.

When Sacred Scripture is removed from the Church and Sacred Tradition – the other means to show Christ in praxis…how the Church was implemented and grew generation after generation, then you reduce Logos to man’s interpretation, divisions, and the loss of certitude with faith, always doubting and never really finding the concrete of God among us – the sacraments.
 
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