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What did Jesus mean when He said that His Body was true food and His blood was true drink?
What did Jesus mean when he said that if you do not eat His body and drink His blood that “you do not have life in you”?
What did St. Paul mean when he said that one must “discern the body of the Lord”?
If Jesus’ natural body ears are only in heaven how do they hear all the prayers from all the world at once and decipher them?
Seems like if He is God enough to decipher all those prayers at once that being in more than one place at one time would be a snap.
To all those who don’t believe in the Catholic view of the eucharist let me ask this–how upset was God that the Catholic Church was teaching error about the Eucharist for 1500 years?
Why didn’t God do something about it? Did He not care that christians all over the world in churches all over the world were being taught error for all of those 1500 years?
If that error was indeed being taught and practiced in churches all over the world for 1500 years–were the gates of Hell prevailing against Christ’s Church during those 1500 years?
If not then exactly what would it have taken for the devil to prevail over Christ’s Church–is idolatry at churches all over the world by adoring Christ when he is not substantially there not enough?
Lastly does the eucharist only being a symbol make you feel closer to Christ and make you have a more personal relationship with Christ than if He truly was there Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity?
What would it take for you to believe that He was there Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity?
If He came to your house and appeared and told you and then vanished would you believe Him or would it be too hard a saying and would you go back to your non Catholic Church and still not believe it?
On the road to Emaus they recognized Him in the breaking of bread and then He vanished. In that case Jesus was at least in the building in the breaking of bread and not just a symbol!
What did Jesus mean when he said that if you do not eat His body and drink His blood that “you do not have life in you”?
What did St. Paul mean when he said that one must “discern the body of the Lord”?
If Jesus’ natural body ears are only in heaven how do they hear all the prayers from all the world at once and decipher them?
Seems like if He is God enough to decipher all those prayers at once that being in more than one place at one time would be a snap.
To all those who don’t believe in the Catholic view of the eucharist let me ask this–how upset was God that the Catholic Church was teaching error about the Eucharist for 1500 years?
Why didn’t God do something about it? Did He not care that christians all over the world in churches all over the world were being taught error for all of those 1500 years?
If that error was indeed being taught and practiced in churches all over the world for 1500 years–were the gates of Hell prevailing against Christ’s Church during those 1500 years?
If not then exactly what would it have taken for the devil to prevail over Christ’s Church–is idolatry at churches all over the world by adoring Christ when he is not substantially there not enough?
Lastly does the eucharist only being a symbol make you feel closer to Christ and make you have a more personal relationship with Christ than if He truly was there Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity?
What would it take for you to believe that He was there Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity?
If He came to your house and appeared and told you and then vanished would you believe Him or would it be too hard a saying and would you go back to your non Catholic Church and still not believe it?
On the road to Emaus they recognized Him in the breaking of bread and then He vanished. In that case Jesus was at least in the building in the breaking of bread and not just a symbol!
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SteveVH
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Absolutely, priests refuse absolution when a person has no intention of ending a sinful practice. It is very common today to have couples living together outside the bonds of marriage. This is the most common situation that I know of that resluts in a refusal of absolution. We had an RCIA candiate who had to drop out because of this. Like your friend, she finally made the decision that Christ was more important, moved out, went to confession and repented. She was brought into the Church this past Easter Vigiil and there was great rejoicing.
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SteveVH
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And how do you know that your judgement is true? What I remember is this: “Do not judge, lest ye be judged.”
Yes he did. It is very rare which is why I asked you how long you have had the gift of reading hearts, but you didn’t answer my question.
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Harry1941
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When we take Holy Communion, that is external…When we keep charity and faith in us that is in the spirit… The bread and wine signifies charity and faith from the Lord in man. Charity is to look to the Lord and shun evil as sin , and do good because all good is from God… By doing this we are keeping charity and faith in us.,from the Lord. The Lord said do this in rember of Me, which means keep charity and faith in yourself. The Lord’s Divine essence is Diviine Good and Divine Truth…The Lord said, make pease with your brother before you come to the alter.
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SteveVH
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Then you are not taking Holy Communion. When we receive the Eucharist we receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. He truly becomes a part of us and we a part of him. He dwells within us. I have no idea to what faith tradition you belong, but Holy Communion is far from external.
Yes, faith and charity are fruits of the spirit, along with joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, gentleness and self-control. And all these proceed from the Eucharist; Christ himself.
You keep saying this. A symbol “signifies” something. In the Eucharist is the real presence of Christ, our true food and drink, without which we will have no life. It is no symbol.
Okay.
No, it means what he said it means. It means “eat my body and drink my blood”. And he didn’t suggest it, he commanded it by saying “do this…”.
True, but what does that have to do with the topic at hand?The Lord’s Divine essence is Diviine Good and Divine Truth…The Lord said, make pease with your brother before you come to the alter.
Harry
I would only say that it is a symbol, but not only a symbol, not a mere symbol, spiritual, but not only spiritual. We receive it spiritually by faith, and orally by the mouth, His true body and blood.
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SteveVH
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Yes, you are quite correct.
I would only say that it is a symbol, but not only a symbol, not a mere symbol, spiritual, but not only spiritual. We receive it spiritually by faith, and orally by the mouth, His true body and blood.
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crazzeto
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Well said.
I would only say that it is a symbol, but not only a symbol, not a mere symbol, spiritual, but not only spiritual. We receive it spiritually by faith, and orally by the mouth, His true body and blood.
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Harry1941
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The Catholic Church does not let the people drink the wine. I don’t know why. Both of them must be taken together, just like charity and faith must be together in man.
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aidanbradypop
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Harry…The Catholic Church does not let the people drink the wine. I don’t know why. Both of them must be taken together, just like charity and faith must be together in man.
Harry
I have no clue where you get your ideas of Catholicism, but they simply are false. Please research before making such claims.
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crazzeto
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Actually the Catholic Church offers only the accidents of wine in Holy Eucharist. I’ve also had my priest who, without offending anyone’s continence among a group of orthodox young adults offered us some awesome wine from his collection. I would do some basic fact checking before posting something like this.The Catholic Church does not let the people drink the wine. I don’t know why. Both of them must be taken together, just like charity and faith must be together in man.
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SteveVH
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Where do you come up with this stuff?The Catholic Church does not let the people drink the wine. I don’t know why. Both of them must be taken together, just like charity and faith must be together in man.
Harry
Two errors:
- Both the body and blood are offered each and every Sunday in every Diocese in which I have been, but if they didn’t it wouldn’t matter.
- Both do not have to be taken together. Christ is wholely present within each. We don’t consume “parts” of Jesus.
Thanks.
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Harry1941
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Matt.26:26,27,28
26,27 But as they were eating, Jesus taking the bread, and blessing, brake it, and gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is My body.,And taking the cup, and giving thanks, He gave it to them, saying, Drink you all of it: The spiritual meaning 26,27,That the lord taught by representatives, that all saving good and truth are from Himself, and are communicated by Him to those who are in a state of reception. Good is the same as charity,and truth is the same faith.
38 For this is My blood, the blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Spiritual meaning of 28, And that the truth which He revealed was the interior truth of the Word in conjunction with its good, whereby evils and falses might be more thoroughly removed.
Verse 29. But I say to you that I will not drink now on of this product of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in the kingdom of My Father. The spiritual meaning of 29, But that this truth cannot be fully received in this life, but in the other.
In verse 29 The Lord words, means , the Passover will not be fully understood by men of the church. They will in the next life. The Lord said, I …drink it new with you in the kingdom of My Father. This means in the next life, that He will drink the wine with. those.who are in heaven,.They will fully understand the Spiritual meaning of Passover.
Harry.
26,27 But as they were eating, Jesus taking the bread, and blessing, brake it, and gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is My body.,And taking the cup, and giving thanks, He gave it to them, saying, Drink you all of it: The spiritual meaning 26,27,That the lord taught by representatives, that all saving good and truth are from Himself, and are communicated by Him to those who are in a state of reception. Good is the same as charity,and truth is the same faith.
38 For this is My blood, the blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Spiritual meaning of 28, And that the truth which He revealed was the interior truth of the Word in conjunction with its good, whereby evils and falses might be more thoroughly removed.
Verse 29. But I say to you that I will not drink now on of this product of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in the kingdom of My Father. The spiritual meaning of 29, But that this truth cannot be fully received in this life, but in the other.
In verse 29 The Lord words, means , the Passover will not be fully understood by men of the church. They will in the next life. The Lord said, I …drink it new with you in the kingdom of My Father. This means in the next life, that He will drink the wine with. those.who are in heaven,.They will fully understand the Spiritual meaning of Passover.
Harry
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Jan-Mar, no doubt.The person I get my information was born (1688-1772) was a Swedish philosopher.
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hn160
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In Holy Communion, we receive in the Real Presence, Christ’s Body in the bread and His Blood in the wine for the forgiveness of sins. This is a fact because Christ said this was so. It is not a remembrance meal.When we take Holy Communion, that is external…When we keep charity and faith in us that is in the spirit… The bread and wine signifies charity and faith from the Lord in man. Charity is to look to the Lord and shun evil as sin , and do good because all good is from God… By doing this we are keeping charity and faith in us.,from the Lord. The Lord said do this in rember of Me, which means keep charity and faith in yourself. The Lord’s Divine essence is Diviine Good and Divine Truth…The Lord said, make pease with your brother before you come to the alter.
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MaryT777
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Yes, indeed it is NOT a remembrance meal; it’s the body blood soul and divinity of Christ.
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aidanbradypop
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And without it I would be lost
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