Your opinion. Not the teaching of the universal Church. Catholics in the U.S. were not bound by the Magisterium to vote for one party only, nor to abstain from voting from one party. To claim otherwise is simply political, and not moral/faithful/ethical.
The teaching authority brings perfect unity to Catholics (they are not all “Roman”
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This is not a sweeping generalization. It is a moral evil to support a political candidate that promotes and facilitates the murder of the innocent. It is a violation of the Apostolic Teaching that values life, and forbids the support of those who take it unjustly.
I am glad you started a new thread!
No, Timmy. People who espouse these heretical positions and embrace moral evil, they are not in unity with the Church founded by Jesus. When they take communion, they do so sacriligiously. They have not examined themselves, and found these unworthy aspects, so they eat and drink to their own condemnation.Yet many, if not all, are in communion with the RCC on Sunday’s mass.
If they are not in unity, but are in communion; then the true church is invisible as protestants claim??
It is a good thing to take pride in one’s accomplishments.Thanks. I believe I make nothing but good points
Many, think they are. They approach what the you regard as infallible teaching (the magisterium) and come away thinking they are good RCs. **
Yes, I think this is very.
Timmy_Z:
The Bible is not capable of being infallible, which is why it is an error to try to make it an authority. Infallibility and authority require will, discernment, and ability to take responsibility. The Holy Writings, Sacred as they are, do not have these qualities. The effort to make them take this on is inappropriate.
Not necessarily.
There is a world of difference between an icon, and an idol.
It is possible that you don’t understand this.
I am curious to know how one determines the standard for this.
Yeah, that bothered me too. It is not part of the Church doctrine, though.
Try some sermons by Fr. John Corapi.
No, Timmy. There is perfect unity among those who remain within the infallible teachings.
Sorry. No dice.
This is a contradiction in terms. It is the lack of clarity that causes the division!
And I am sure He will!
When one rejects the Teachings in the manner of these, one excommunicates oneself. The Vatican has been clear on this. The Pope is not in the position to judge the heart of every individual. Scripture is clear that one is to “examine yourself”. If they receive the precious Body and Blood in an unworthy manner, they take condmenation upon themselves. The Vatican does not need to publish a press release.
Not by itself, no. One might commit such a sin through ignorance, in which case they are not as culpable and would not be considered in a mortal condition.
Yes. I would call them affiliations, rather than “divisions”.
Yes, but then the question becomes, what are the “essentials”?
Please read more carefully.
You act as if “Protestant” is a monolithic religious institution with a head ecclesial leader. Protestant is ANYONE imagining themselves to be “Christian”, including those who call themselves Catholics who PROTEST against the Church teaching. If they call themselves Catholics they are lieing. These are all pseudo Catholics who are in one way or another “protesting” the Catholic church by politicizing issues that are unlawful for Catholics. These are attempting to force, or pressure or make The Church conform and change to THEIR world view. ERGO these are all PROTESTANTS by definition. There is no way to evade that fact.
I disagree with, and I have a lot of Protestant friends who would disagree with, that definition of Protestant.
You have the “secular democracy” disease. You just don’t seem to “get it” do you? Christianity is NOT a democracy of popular public opinions and dissenting views. Either one conforms themselves to the authority of The Church or one goes to hell. That’s YOUR only choice. Cast that vote wrongly and in defiance to Christ’s Church and you cast yourself into hell if one does not repent in time.
Actually, Church teaching affirms that not all those calling themselves Christians are such. Only those who are validly baptized are considered Christians. There are many who believe they are, but are not.
Orthodox Christians are considered in Schism, not Protestant. However, all others who are not in union with the Bishop of Rome are considered Protestant. I do agree that Catholics who “protest” Church teaching are not necessarily Protestants, but most of them are, and do not know it . They cannot qualify as heretics, because they never understood or embraced apostolic teaching in the first place.
Umm…ok…sure…did I say anything to the contrary?
Not exactly. For example, the Polish National Catholic Church.
Thank goodness those who think being a Democrat or voting for Obama results in excommunication (or worse) are not in charge of the Church or teaching for the Church.
These are not faithful Catholics, but dissenting fringe groups. From Paul’s letters we see that unity was a struggle from the very start. The fact that there is still a Catholic Church I find, by itself, rather amazing. Peter’s successor has his hands full.
Democrats are de facto a dissenting fringe group?
What on earth are you talking about? I was addressing the OP.
You replied to a post that contained a series of links, you called those referenced on the links dissenting fringe groups. Some of those links were, simply, to supporters of Obama. So, from what I read, you were calling anyone who was a Democrat or supported Obama in the election a “dissenting fringe group.”What on earth are you talking about? I was addressing the OP.
I was making a lousy attempt to address the Evangelical OP, who claimed that such groups put the lie to Catholic unity. I apologize that I did so poorly.
Didn’t say this.
Ditto.
Let me explain whom and what I was addressing: