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From the post and blogs I’ve read I think this is great news! I especially like the fact that the option to add new saints and preface to the 1962 missal is available, this shows organic growth is now continuing for the EF.
JPII should be among the first of these saints so added. In fact, I don’t even think you need be declared a saint to qualify for your own Collect, Offertory, Secret, and Postcommunion prayers. Indeed it is a great thing that this organic growth is made more available.
 
From the post and blogs I’ve read I think this is great news! I especially like the fact that the option to add new saints and preface to the 1962 missal is available, this shows organic growth is now continuing for the EF. Who else here thinks this pope is amazing and brilliant man? I sure do!
You know, I just bought a 1962 missal. I had no idea content was going to be added to it. 😦
 
You know, I just bought a 1962 missal. I had no idea content was going to be added to it. 😦
You could always attach prayers to it. Index cards work pretty well for me. 🙂

With the internet being what it is, it should be that much quicker to get additions as needed.
 
You know, I just bought a 1962 missal. I had no idea content was going to be added to it. 😦
No worries! I doubt there wil be any minor changes at all anytime soon. It’s not like they’re going to cut or add new parts to the EF. Now if you bought a missal for the OF than I would say return it because we are getting a new translations for the english OF missal at the end of this year.

BTW can someone tell me what does PCED stand for?
 
6. The Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI and the last edition prepared under Pope John XXIII, are two forms of the Roman Liturgy, defined respectively as ordinaria and extraordinaria: they are two usages of the one Roman Rite, one alongside the other. Both are the expression of the same lex orandi of the Church. On account of its venerable and ancient use, the forma extraordinaria is to be maintained with appropriate honor.

This is extremely important, because it settles the question and clarifies the terms. They are not two rites, but one rite. They are two forms to be known as ordinary and extraordinary. But they are the same mass. That question is answered and whoever believes differently has to take it up with the pope.

"There is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal. In the history of the Liturgy growth and progress are found, but not a rupture. What was sacred for prior generations, remains sacred and great for us as well, and cannot be suddenly prohibited altogether or even judged harmful."2

This too is important, because it clarifies what he had said prior to being pope about banal fabrications. That statement has been over cited and incorrectly applied. He was speaking about the things that people make up and add to the mass, not about the legitimate changes made by Pope Paul VI and later by Pope John Paul II.

15. A coetus fidelium (“group of the faithful”) can be said to be stabiliter existens (“existing in a stable manner”), according to the sense of art. 5 § 1 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, when it is constituted by some people of an individual parish who, even after the publication of the Motu Proprio, come together by reason of their veneration for the Liturgy in the Usus Antiquior, and who ask that it might be celebrated in the parish church or in an oratory or chapel; such a coetus (“group”) can also be composed of persons coming from different parishes or dioceses, who gather together in a specific parish church or in an oratory or chapel for this purpose.

This answers the question in the minds of many pastors and bishops as to what constitutes a stable group. Many people thought that it had to be parishioners.

19. The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church.

This was needed. You cannot belong to a group that such as the SSPX, SSPV, or some other group that claims that the Ordinary Form is wrong. You have to accept the legitimacy of the Ordinary Form and the authority of the pope to promote it and protect it. In essence, he’s telling us to stop the competition between the two forms.

21. Ordinaries are asked to offer their clergy the possibility of acquiring adequate preparation for celebrations in the forma extraordinaria. This applies also to Seminaries, where future priests should be given proper formation, including study of Latin8 and, where pastoral needs suggest it, the opportunity to learn the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite.

This is important, because it answers a question that many lay people posed to bishops and religious superiors. The opportunity to learn the EF is offered, not mandated. Those studying for the priesthood can choose not to learn it. That’s fair. There are seminarians who want to learn it and others who are not interested. Maybe they will be later, not now.
 
** 23. The faculty to celebrate sine populo (or with the participation of only one minister) in the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite is given by the Motu Proprio to all priests, whether secular or religious (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art. 2). For such celebrations therefore, priests, by provision of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, do not require any special permission from their Ordinaries or superiors. **

This answers the question for lay people who live in parishes run by religious orders in solemn vows. If the religious is a priest, he still needs permission from his superior to celebrate the EF for the people. He can celebrate it alone without the superior’s permission.

It also answers a question for religious superiors. In most fraternal communities, the ordained brothers can only celebrate mass with permission from the superior. The wording in SP was not clear. The permission being granted here is to use the EF, The religious, must still get permission from his superior to celebrate a mass. Just because he’s a priest, it’s not a given. He and the laity in that parish must comply with the rule and constitution that govern that order. If it’s not in the constitution, they must comply with the judgment of the superior. Most superiors do not deny permission to celebrate the EF for the laity, provided that the religious in question does not neglect other duties and that the laity in question do not demand it as if the religious community had an obligation to provide it. They do not. The diocese has that obligation. Therefore, if you are in a parish run by religious and the superior says that they will not celebrate the EF, it falls upon the bishop to find someone who can do so, not on the superior of the religious, nor can the bishop ask a religious to do it or can a religious volunteer contrary to his superior’s wishes. The only time that he can celebrate the EF without the superior’s permission is without a congregation. SP mentioned superiors and proper law, but did not mention solo masses. That was the question mark.

30. As regards tonsure, minor orders and the subdiaconate, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum does not introduce any change in the discipline of the Code of Canon Law of 1983; consequently, in Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life which are under the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, one who has made solemn profession or who has been definitively incorporated into a clerical institute of apostolic life, becomes incardinated as a cleric in the institute or society upon ordination to the diaconate, in accordance with canon 266 § 2 of the Code of Canon Law.

This was needed, because the Code of 1983 separated the codes that govern religious orders that make solemn vows and congregations that make simple vows (definitive incorporation). In doing so, they simply published an addendum to the Code. When you look at the code, you see broad statements about religious life and no clear rules about the different degrees of consecration. Unless you knew to look in the documents of the Sacred Congregation or Ecclesia Dei, the layman thought that we were all the same. This makes it very clear. You must be in solemn vows before you can become a cleric. Or at the very least, if you belong to a congregation or a society such as the FSSP, you must have made some kind of permanent commitment. This separates the clerical state from the consecrated life. They co-exist. They do not depend on each other or need each other, except when a religious order or a society is explicitly for clerics.

This document answers many questions. I like it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei. (I don’t have the official Latin name for this.)
Lol wow I feel dumb, I only knew it by Ecclesia Dei lol. Thanks!

Br. JR thanks for that explanations, you and Fr. Z gave similar explanations.
 
Lol wow I feel dumb, I only knew it by Ecclesia Dei lol. Thanks!

Br. JR thanks for that explanations, you and Fr. Z gave similar explanations.
Thank you for that feedback. I have not had a chance to read Father’s blog. That we are reading the directive and extrapolating similar conclusions does not suprise me, because the directive is pretty clear.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The problem is that such instruction in Latin has been a requirement in Canon Law since 1983.

And was repeated again by Pope Benedict in 2004 in Sacramentum Caritas

So Pope Benedict does not need to make any demands for seminaries to offer extensive Latin. Such demands have existed for years.

I personally know three priest who have been recently Ordained from Sacred Heart Seminary here in Detroit who learned to celebrate the Mass in the Extraordinary Form.

They all were trained in the seminary in the celebration of the Ordinanry Form in Latin ( as the Pope had asked for). To celebrate the Mass in the EF, they attended the workshop offered by the priests of St. John Cantius in Chicago. They availed themselves of the opportunity.

My own pastor ( diocesan) also attended the St. John Cantius workshop shortly after S.P. was released and then added an EF Mass to the parish schedule.
The problem with the Latin “requirement” is that like so many other things it is not being enforced. Unless Rome enforces something (and that includes this new instruction) it is meaningless. It’s no different than the many instructions that were issued in the sixties and seventies for “proper” implementation of liturgical reform. Bishops and priests ignored those as they wished and Rome enforced nothing. Unfortunately, it’s the same old story. Unless Rome is serious about enforcing its requirement, no amount of “notices” and “clarifications” will mean a thing.

C.
 
The problem with the Latin “requirement” is that like so many other things it is not being enforced. Unless Rome enforces something (and that includes this new instruction) it is meaningless. It’s no different than the many instructions that were issued in the sixties and seventies for “proper” implementation of liturgical reform. Bishops and priests ignored those as they wished and Rome enforced nothing. Unfortunately, it’s the same old story. Unless Rome is serious about enforcing its requirement, no amount of “notices” and “clarifications” will mean a thing.

C.
Well, the so-called “Latin requirement” in the CIC 249 was never a command directed at seminarians, merely a requirement concerning the program of formation. It is now, however, obvious from UE that Rome doesn’t believe it to be a strict requirement, just a suggestion.
 
Well, the so-called “Latin requirement” in the CIC 249 was never a command directed at seminarians, merely a requirement concerning the program of formation. It is now, however, obvious from UE that Rome doesn’t believe it to be a strict requirement, just a suggestion.
Sorry but Canon 249 speaks for itself : Can. 249 “The program of priestly formation is to provide that students not only are carefully taught their native language but also understand Latin well and have a suitable understanding of those foreign languages which seem necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of pastoral ministry.” and the Latin requirement was also included in the American Bishops norms. See 162, 172, 182 and 189 of those norms.

C.
 
The problem with the Latin “requirement” is that like so many other things it is not being enforced. Unless Rome enforces something (and that includes this new instruction) it is meaningless. It’s no different than the many instructions that were issued in the sixties and seventies for “proper” implementation of liturgical reform. Bishops and priests ignored those as they wished and Rome enforced nothing. Unfortunately, it’s the same old story. Unless Rome is serious about enforcing its requirement, no amount of “notices” and “clarifications” will mean a thing.
True, but whether the “Latin requirement” is enforced or not seems to me to be a non-issue, at least for the purpose at hand.

Let’s look at it from a slightly different angle. One thing that the instruction made very clear is that a priest doesn’t have to be a “Latin scholar” but simply needs a basic understanding of Latin to offer the Usus Antiquior. That is something that’s rather easy to come by, even if it’s not taught in seminary. The key there is that the person be interested and actually want to offer the EF, and it seems to me that is the sort of priest best suited to the task.

I can’t help but think how counterproductive it would be to force candidates who have no interest to learn Latin and to learn the EF. And how much worse for those of the “spirit of Vatican II” school of thought who actually hate Latin and cringe at the very thought of the EF. Yes, sure, they’d be qualified to offer the EF, but is that what we need? Personally, I prefer a celebrant who offers the Usus Antiquior willingly and lovingly to one who would do so grudgingly and with animus.

Just my :twocents: 🙂
 
Sorry but Canon 249 speaks for itself : Can. 249 “The program of priestly formation is to provide that students not only are carefully taught their native language but also understand Latin well and have a suitable understanding of those foreign languages which seem necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of pastoral ministry.” and the Latin requirement was also included in the American Bishops norms. See 162, 172, 182 and 189 of those norms.

C.
Well, no, Rome speaks for it, since the Holy See is always the proper arbiter of what the canons mean. Obviously the Holy Father doesn’t consider this canon to be that mandatory, or the new instruction would not say cite it with the mild remark, “Ordinaries are asked to offer their clergy the possibility of acquiring adequate preparation for celebrations in the forma extraordinaria. This applies also to Seminaries, where future priests should be given proper formation, including study of Latin . . . .”
 
The problem with the Latin “requirement” is that like so many other things it is not being enforced. Unless Rome enforces something (and that includes this new instruction) it is meaningless. It’s no different than the many instructions that were issued in the sixties and seventies for “proper” implementation of liturgical reform. Bishops and priests ignored those as they wished and Rome enforced nothing. Unfortunately, it’s the same old story. Unless Rome is serious about enforcing its requirement, no amount of “notices” and “clarifications” will mean a thing.

C.
It is enforced in our diocese - one semester of Latin in six years! :rolleyes:
 
Sorry but Canon 249 speaks for itself : Can. 249 “The program of priestly formation is to provide that students not only are carefully taught their native language but also understand Latin well and have a suitable understanding of those foreign languages which seem necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of pastoral ministry.” and the Latin requirement was also included in the American Bishops norms. See 162, 172, 182 and 189 of those norms.

C.
This was said, but what you do not find in the Code of Canon Law is the request from the Sacred Congregation for Religious (at that time) to dispense with this requirement for members of religious orders who were studying to be priests as well as religious.

Religious superiors asked for this, because the Holy See approved the constitutions of all the religious orders as they were submitted, after they were renewed. Many had taken the Latin requirement out of the Constitution. These constitutions existed before the Canons of 1983. There was a problem. The Holy See was saying one thing in the Canons but saying another in the constitutions of religious orders, secular institutes and societies of apostolic life that it was approving.

To fix the problem, the request was granted. Those religious orders that have priests, which is about 60% and those priests in these orders, must form according to their constitutions, unless one of two things happens:

a) The pope overrules all of the constitutions, which he can do.

or

b) The General Chapter of each community amends the constitutions.

To do this, the community must get permission from the pope to have a special chapter to amend the Constitution. Once the amendment is voted on and approved by the community, it still has to be approved by the Sacred Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life. If it passes mustard there, it must be sent to the Holy Father for approval. Then a reasonable period of time must be allowed for implementation. Finally, the amendment only binds those who enter from that point forward, because you cannot go backward and undo degree programs. These graduate schools only apply changes in the graduation requirements going forward, not backward.

That’s why the new directive has a much softer tone on the Latin requirement. Rome has to navigate around that one with care not to cause chaos and not to cause these men to lose time in school.

This is another glitch. Religious orders of mixed life, also called fraternal orders, have men who are going to be priests, but have many men who are not going to be priests. However, they all have to go through the same program of studies. Those men who are not going to be priests, but are going for a theology degree would be required to study Latin as part of their graduation requirement for what purpose? It is much better for the religious community to allow those men who want to learn Latin to do it on their own or to take it as an elective, rather than as a degree requirement. Even if you’re going to be the brother who answers the door, you have to get that degree. It’s part of your formation program.

This is not as easy as it sounds when you’re dealing with thousands of men in different countries, different religious communities, with different needs, and different budgets. Education is not free. Some religious communities struggle to educate their men, especially outside of the USA. Religious communities in the USA have more resources.

We have to understand these things the way that the Holy Father does.

If I may make one suggestion to the laity, tread lightly on the religious men and the Latin. We are very fortunate in the USA that the Council of Major Superiors of Men and the USCCB get along well. They agree on most things, including the education of priests and brothers. To push an agenda that would create a rift is not worth it. We need both authority figures working together.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Correct me if I’m wrong. I am getting the sense that the hope of the lay people on this thread is that if the seminarians were forced to learn Latin there would be more priests to celebrate the EF.

If that’s the hope, it an unrealistic hope, because no one can force a priest to celebrate the EF. Heck, no one can force a priest to celebrate mass except on Sunday. Even the Sunday obligation is questionable. If the priest belongs to a religious order, he can simply attend mass in his religious house, celebrated by one of his brothers.

Don’t think that Latin will be the guarantee to the EF. Many of us studied Latin and know it very fluently and never use it for liturgical purposes. We learned it for academic reasons, usually to do research.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
As I’m reading these posts, I’m getting the sense that Latin is to be learned at the expense of something else. If I remember right before 60’s, no one felt they needed to study Latin more than, say, mathematics or English. They simply did it because it met the necessary number of credits needed to graduate, Catholic schools, public schools, whatever. Out of those who took it, a certain percentage actually liked it and went on to pursue further studies in the matter. But it all came down to this: would there have been such interest if just a little Latin were never taught in the first place? And isn’t this the situation we’re finding ourselves in, few find it necessary to study it because they don’t have the slightest clue of what it is? As long as it’s not necessary to study even a semester or two or it, what percentage is going to like it? And what percentage is going to like even a little Latin in their worship, much less an entire Latin OF or EF? Might as well try teaching them long-division or any kind of math when they all have calculators built into their cell phones.
 
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