Universal background checks Dems' top priority

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Yes and I don’t agree with that. But would you consider registering books despotic? Where is the line between despotic registration and non despotic registration?
 
The line is where something is done despite the popular will that it not be done and which not serve the pubic good. That is despotic.
 
So banning or registering books isn’t despotic or at least isn’t always despotic?
 
I have never seen a book so dangerous to the common good that people were in general agreement that it must be banned.
 
That isn’t an answer. If the people (I assume only a plurality) wanted to ban a book that wouldn’t be despotic. That is what you said. Your opinion wouldn’t matter if a plurality agreed it was a good idea.
 
ChunkMonk said:
Restrictions are unconstitutional and eventually would rise to the level of tyrannical
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Besides being inaccurate, it won’t be unconstitutional if we amend the Constitution.
ChunkMonk said:
Are you the type of person who is ‘literally shaking’ when you see ‘Don’t tread on me’ flags on cars?
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Maybe there’s a difference between that bumper sticker and saying “we will kill” “gun grabbers”.

Very healthy, normal, Christian thing to say.
exnihilo said:
Yes and I don’t agree with that. But would you consider registering books despotic? Where is the line between despotic registration and non despotic registration?
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How many people are killed by books every year in the U.S.?
 
Let’s not go any further down that rabbit hole. The discussion is not about banning books, or even banning guns. It was about registration. We should be able to discuss it on its own merits. If you want to compare that to something else that is registered, try cars, boats, airplanes, and trailers.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Let’s talk about registration.
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If I legally sold you a gun that you used in a crime, then how could I be responsible? You were a legal buyer who chose to do an illegal thing?

What are the ‘obvious benefits’ for LEO with registration? I think Canada found it fairly useless in helping solve crimes, especially vs the system cost.

Confiscation doesn’t take years, where did you get that idea? History has shown that it tends to happen very quickly and usually it starts as a very targeted action. The target has no time nor option but to comply.

If you think the Govt doesn’t really need a registry to confiscate, then why is it important to implement? It matters to both sides because it is essential for confiscation. At a bare minimum they could punish law abiding people who broke no law but having an unregistered gun. We don’t need that law to punish repeat criminals.
 
A shame they don’t have better knowledge of America than they do. He’s one of the Italians who seems to think American Evangelicalism started in 1910.

Possibly he would do better to try to figure out why his countrymen don’t have children.
 
One wonders why guarding the schools is not considered in all of this. Even bars have security. Why not schools? Israel guards its schools, why can’t we?

People who want to kill, want to kill. And they’ll find a way to do it if a way is open to them. So what would we do if all guns were confiscated and somebody killed a thousand students with a bomb? Ignore it? Or would we then provide security in the schools? Probably the latter. So why not do it in the first instance and not confiscate all the guns?
 
Are you breaking down our doors to do a confiscation search?
That is the situation where your health might be at risk.
 
No, I didn’t say that, no matter how you feel.

I simply changed your derogatory term for American culture into a more accurate term.

That being said, yes, as an American serviceman (albeit retired) I will defend everyone’s constitutional, God-given freedoms.
 
It’s that sentiment that is keeping even the most reasonable gun control measures from being instituted.

This is also the fear sowed by the NRA.
 
Theo520 said:
Are you breaking down our doors to do a confiscation search?

That is the situation where your health might be at risk.
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Well sure, but going after any criminals is risky. That won’t be any different when guns are illegal and those who possess them illegally are criminals.
Boatswain2PA said:
No, I didn’t say that, no matter how you feel.

I simply changed your derogatory term for American culture into a more accurate term.

That being said, yes, as an American serviceman (albeit retired) I will defend everyone’s constitutional, God-given freedoms.
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I don’t know how thinking saying “we will kill you” to people who disagree politically is troubling is “derogatory”. And if you’re defending constitutional rights in the event the 2nd amendment is repealed gun ownership ceases to be a right.
 
Theo520 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Let’s talk about registration.
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If I legally sold you a gun that you used in a crime, then how could I be responsible?
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As I said, you would only be held responsible if that person did not pass a background check, but you didn’t bother to check.
What are the ‘obvious benefits’ for LEO with registration?
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Encouraging compliance with background checks.
I think Canada found it fairly useless in helping solve crimes,
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It’s not for solving crimes. It’s for preventing them.
Confiscation doesn’t take years, where did you get that idea?
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Assuming 1,000 teams each confiscating 10 guns per day, that’s 300,000 per month. It would take 1,000 months - about 80 years - to confiscate all 300,000,000 guns. But if there was going to be a backlash, it would happen in the first two days, long before any significant degradation of the arsenal.
History has shown that it tends to happen very quickly and usually it starts as a very targeted action. The target has no time nor option but to comply.
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But his friend who still have guns have plenty of time to react.
If you think the Govt doesn’t really need a registry to confiscate, then why is it important to implement?
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To trace responsibility for skipped background checks.
 
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