LeafByNiggle
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Which paragraph of the Catechism is that?LeafByNiggle:
Si vis pacem para bellum
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Theo520
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It’s a proven adage of international diplomacy.
LeafByNiggle
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OK, so not supported by the Catechism. And this is not being applied to nations. It is being applied to individuals against the day they need to rebel against their own government.LeafByNiggle:
It’s a proven adage of international diplomacy.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Oh so now we’re Sola Catechism?
LeafByNiggle
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No, I’ll accept direct revelation from God, or Church tradition, too. So what is the authority of the saying you quoted as applied to individuals preparing to fight their own government? As I said, the saying you quoted is not for this situation.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Reductio ad absurdum.
It is an adage that transcends nation states and governments. We get it, you want guns banned. I disagree. We’re never going to agree on that, you’re free to lobby for a repeal of the second amendment and I’m free to lobby for a gun in every hand. We both want a safer country, just drastically differ on how best to achieve it.
It is an adage that transcends nation states and governments. We get it, you want guns banned. I disagree. We’re never going to agree on that, you’re free to lobby for a repeal of the second amendment and I’m free to lobby for a gun in every hand. We both want a safer country, just drastically differ on how best to achieve it.
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Ridgerunner
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Lack of repentance for wrongly insulting millions of people duly noted.
LeafByNiggle
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At the time you responded we were talking about whether guns are needed to prepare for a rebellion, because that relates to the concept of gun registration. Even if you want a gun in every hand, why do you oppose (or do you oppose?) any form of gun registration to track illegal sales?
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JanSobieskiIII
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I do oppose. Because it’s no one’s business but mine what I own.
I also don’t subscribe that a sale can be illegal. Simply exchanging ownership creates no victim. Use is what should be examined for criminality.
I would like to see every person that misuses a firearm in the commission of a felony sent to life in prison with no parole.
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LeafByNiggle
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Hypocrisy at chastising only one side duly noted. Note: I would never use the term with you.LeafByNiggle:
Lack of repentance for wrongly insulting millions of people duly noted.
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Theo520
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I think it applies, a man’s home is his castle. The doors should be locked and one should have prepared for a threat to life and property.
LeafByNiggle
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We are not talking about locking your doors against the government. We are talking about stockpiling weapons against the government.LeafByNiggle:
I think it applies, a man’s home is his castle. The doors should be locked and one should have prepared for a threat to life and property.
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Theo520
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We are talking about all possible scenarios of intrusion into your castle.
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Ridgerunner
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Hard to know such things. My guess is that if ever there was a widespread civilian rebellion, the only deadly opposition would be by some kind of government “killer squad” like the MVD troops in the Soviet Union. And such groups are not invincible, even to a civilian opposition.
To discount such possibilities requires a belief that no government can ever “go rogue”. We are in the process of seeing a little bit of that presently, so we shouldn’t just pretend that no governmental agency can ever go off the track.
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Theo520
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Agreed, but the unrest would be more akin to what we saw in Egypt or Libya than civil war battles.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Agreed. Conventional warfare likely won’t be seen anytime soon. Particularly in asymmetrical warfare where one side has a lot more steady supply lines and financing.
LeafByNiggle
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Stockpiling guns to oppose the police is not one we should be talking about.LeafByNiggle:
We are talking about all possible scenarios of intrusion into your castle.
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Theo520
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why?
Has free speech been revoked, or are you afraid they are monitoring your communications?
After WW2 there actually was an uprising in one county against a corrupt local government. I wish I could recall the name. The rebellion in that case was greately aided by experienced WW2 vets.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Battle of Athens (1946) - Wikipedia
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Theo520
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Thanks for posting the incident.
Hope our progressive posters here make the effort to read a real world example, from the US.
Such incidents are remarkable rare in the US, but it is a real possibility and an armed populace was essential in thwarting the bad governance.
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