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fakename
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Is an unjust war with lots of casualties worse than abortion?
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puzzleannie
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which recent unjust war has killed over 4 million innocent victims who had not even a theoretical ability to defend themselves or fight back? and which recent unjust war was waged by parents against their own children rather than a perceived enemy?
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fakename
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It’s a hypothetical question -don’t become too discomforted on my account.
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The_Absurdist
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If, in all cases, murder is considered, guilt should depend on whether the act was perceived to be just or unjust or neutral or whathaveyou at the time it was committed. For instance, an unjust war fought knowingly is “worse” than an abortion conducted with the mindset that it was a morally neutral act. Of course, I’m borrowing from Catholicism it’s tenants of impetuoisity of temptation making sin all the more greiveous. I personally see, in things, only their relative moral fortitude or folly.
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briang72
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Abortion is the most unjust of unjust wars. Breaking the 5th Commandment and refusing a gift from God makes it an unjust war against God, doesn’t it?
Is there a war more unjust than one fought for convenience?
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Beth_Cecilia
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Apologies. I hate “which is worse” questions. We can speculate till the end of the day, but even if we come to some kind of agreement what is the point? As Catholics, we cannot pick one evil. We are not God. We cannot see the damage or the good that comes from either of these things. (Don’t yell at me. I am not saying either is good. God makes good things come from bad all the time.) We cannot measure these evils, since we cannot know their full effect. We can only say that they are both inarguably evil and unjustifiable, and that we must oppose both. (Again, don’t yell at me. The OP specified an “unjust” war.)
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mark_a
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I used to wonder about this. Until proportionality was explained to me. We are fast approaching 1 billion aborted babies worldwide.
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PilgrimToChrist
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Abortion is a greater sin than murdering an adult.
I had friends who said, “I’m going to vote for Obama even though he’s pro-abortion since he’ll get us out of the war, cure poverty and save the whales…” So even a year later, they had egg on their face.
You can’t vote that way, there is no sin in the political sphere which can compare or outweigh abortion.
I had friends who said, “I’m going to vote for Obama even though he’s pro-abortion since he’ll get us out of the war, cure poverty and save the whales…” So even a year later, they had egg on their face.
You can’t vote that way, there is no sin in the political sphere which can compare or outweigh abortion.
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fakename
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Is abortion worse than murdering an adult? Is this true? Any sources please?
Is it because a child is certainly innocent and not an adult?
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PilgrimToChrist
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Yes. Also, a child doesn’t have the opportunity to be saved, as an adult does.
We see this in the secular world. If you have a man who is a serial child killer, he is seen as an especially heinous and depraved criminal – even moreso than if he was a serial killer of adults. We just pretend like abortionists aren’t on the same level because they wear lab coats and say they are doing it for the great good. The Nazi scientists also wore lab coats and said they were doing it for the greater good, but they still committed seriously depraved and horrific crimes.
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fakename
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I know that a majority in agreement doesn’t necessarily make the thing so, nor does authority, but does anyone have any church authorities who say that abortion is worse than murder or does anyone know if this is the common opinion amongst catholics? Because I don’t recall hearing this from many people or clergy at all.
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nodito
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This isn’t strictly what you’re asking but it’s relevent nonetheless:
CCC Paragraph 1858:
Thus, violence against one’s own child (abortion) is in itself much more serious than violence against someone who is not related to you.
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benidict
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Both are equally evil in my opinion.
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fakename
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final bump
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cathoichelp
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it’s simply an inconsistent teaching -
You can either justify murder. Or you can not.
Making it ok to murder for the greater good makes no sense because then you can apply that to anything … even abortion
You can either justify murder. Or you can not.
Making it ok to murder for the greater good makes no sense because then you can apply that to anything … even abortion
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davidv
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Do you have support for any of these claims? Looks to me like a lot of equivocation of terms and strawmen. Unsubstantiated rhetoric in other words.
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Corki
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cathoichelp
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Last time I checked there was no clause in the 10 commandments … thou shall only kill in cases of genocide … or when our national interests are at stake.
its either wrong to kill or there are justifications.
if you can justify murder … you can justify abortion. Unless abortion is not murder?
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davidv
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What credentials do you have that would lead me to accept this interpretation of the Bible?
Murder, not killing, is a offense against the commandments.
Abortion is murder of the most offensive kind. The victim could not be less innocent nor more defenseless.
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