Unrestricted "marriage" for everyone and everything- why not?

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Ethan88 said:
You see Peter, intelligent people don’t start off with an answer and then build evidence; quite the contrary. What we do is RESEARCH and THEN find a definition. If you start off with the premise of 1 + 1 equally 66, you’re gonna have some pretty awful arguments in support.
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If you presume the reality and nature of a thing is not staring you in the face.

The first elephant was not determined to be an elephant by research. It was determined to be an elephant by definition and then studied to find what being an elephant actually entails. This spotted thing with a long neck is not an elephant because…

Male and female human beings engaged in a committed and loving procreative union that came to be known as marriage. What that union consists of and is promoted by could be researched, but we do not research it by lumping in all sorts of other “realities” to muddy the water in our research. A giraffe is not an elephant and by the same determination we can categorically state that a same sex union is not a marriage. It does not bear the identifiable marks of being a marriage, no matter how vociferously the giraffe supporters insist on calling it an elephant, a giraffe is, by nature, not an elephant. Same sex unions are not procreative in nature.
 
Ethan88 said:
Except my point was proven by virtue of your answer, you can’t believe marriage is between a man and a woman so why even bothering arguing against gay ones?

Of course, children can’t consent.
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Marriage is for the creating and raising of children. Same sex unions do not qualify neither do pedophile relationships.
 
Stephen168 said:
Marriage is for the creating and raising of children.
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According to whom? I’m sure some sterile straight couples and some infertile older couples wouldn’t agree with that.
Same sex unions do not qualify neither do pedophile relationships.
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SS couples can create children using in-vitro, and they can raise children by adoption. As for the pedophile comparison :rolleyes:
 
Ethan88 said:
Instead of wondering about it and focusing all your energy posting on the internet 24/7, why not look into it? Or is preventing the evil gays from marrying by arguing with them on the internet your first priority?
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I am not preventing anyone from doing anything. I am arguing that what they are doing is, by definition, not marrying.

They can live their lives any way they want and they will be accountable for their actions.

However, actually being married is something they cannot do simply as a matter of biological fact.

“Evil gays?” Why are you spinning my points?
 
Peter_Plato said:
If you presume the reality and nature of a thing is not staring you in the face.
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Great argument 👍
The first elephant was not determined to be an elephant by research. It was determined to be an elephant by definition and then studied to find what being an elephant actually entails. This spotted thing with a long neck is not an elephant because…
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By definition by whom?
Male and female human beings engaged in a committed and loving procreative union that came to be known as marriage.
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Where? Source me? Who were the first married couple?
Same sex unions are not procreative in nature.
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But rape is, as is polygamy…both of which you are against…because…?
Peter_Plato said:
I am not preventing anyone from doing anything. I am arguing that what they are doing is, by definition, not marrying.
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Who’s definition?
They can live their lives any way they want and they will be accountable for their actions.
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As will you.
However, actually being married is something they cannot do simply as a matter of biological fact.
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Biology has nothing to do with the social construct of marriage. Do you even know the difference between sex and marriage? You seem to think they’re interchangeable.
“Evil gays?” Why are you spinning my points?
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Was this before or after your derogatory comment of me having a lisp?

Hypocrisy is a sin (Matthew 7:3)
 
Ethan88 said:
SS couples can create children using in-vitro, and they can raise children by adoption.
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Until sperm can fertilize sperm, or eggs fertilize eggs, this is a rather loose application of “they” creating children.
 
Peter_Plato said:
Until sperm can fertilize sperm, or eggs fertilize eggs, this is a rather loose application of “they” creating children.
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It’s called In vitro fertilisation, I’d describe it for you but I ran out of crayons.
 
Ethan88 said:
According to whom? I’m sure some sterile straight couples and some infertile older couples wouldn’t agree with that.

SS couples can create children using in-vitro, and they can raise children by adoption. As for the pedophile comparison :rolleyes:
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according to thousands of years of human history and biology. And from biology we know that two people of the same sex can not ever create their children. That is why pedophilia is wrong, too. Both are sterile relationships.
 
Stephen168 said:
according to thousands of years of human history and biology.
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But what about the history of arranged marriages, dowry/property exchanges, and polygamous unions?

Biology has nothing (read that, nothing) to do with marriage.
And from biology we know that two people of the same sex can not ever create their children. That is why pedophilia is wrong, too. Both are sterile relationships
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Rape can create children though! Also, is it right for a 12 year old girl who’s hit puberty to have a child with a 50 year old man, is that wrong? They’re procreating…
 
Ethan88 said:
But what about the history of arranged marriages, dowry/property exchanges, and polygamous unions?

Biology has nothing (read that, nothing) to do with marriage.

Rape can create children though! Also, is it right for a 12 year old girl who’s hit puberty to have a child with a 50 year old man, is that wrong? They’re procreating…
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Arranged marriages are still marriages. You can continue to challenge western cultural norms but the fact is same sex unions like pedophile union are sterile and not marriage.

Review post 124
 
Stephen168 said:
Arranged marriages are still marriages. You can continue to challenge western cultural norms but the fact is same sex unions like pedophile union are sterile and not marriage.

Review post 124
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So besides comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, you ignored the question, are you suggesting a 50 year old man impregnating a 12 year old girl is moral by virtue of them procreating?
 
Ethan88 said:
So besides comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, you ignored the question, are you suggesting a 50 year old man impregnating a 12 year old girl is moral by virtue of them procreating?
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marriage, sex, procreation are not the same thing review post 124
 
Read post 124, still didn’t answer the question:
So besides comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, you ignored the question, are you suggesting a 50 year old man impregnating a 12 year old girl is moral by virtue of them procreating?
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Now, are you going to tell me why such a relationship is bad according to your logic?? Or keep dodging and pretending you answered it by referring me to an irrelevant post?
 
Ethan88 said:
Read post 124, still didn’t answer the question:

Now, are you going to tell me why such a relationship is bad? Or keep dodging and pretending you answered it by referring me to an irrelevant post?
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It’s not bad. They can have a marriage if they choose.

It is only pedophile relationships like same sex unions that are sterile and not marriage
 
Ethan88 said:
Read post 124, still didn’t answer the question:

Now, are you going to tell me why such a relationship is bad according to your logic?? Or keep dodging and pretending you answered it by referring me to an irrelevant post?
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the post explains the difference between sex and procreation which you seem to have forgot. Marriage is also raising the children you create.
 
Stephen168 said:
the post explains the difference between sex and procreation which you seem to have forgot. Marriage is also raising the children you create.
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There’s nothing to forget, such a relationship between a 50 year old and 12 year old can procreate and can raise children and does fit your logic.

Why are you so adamant about ignoring the question? Why can’t you give a solid yes or no answer, followed with your explanation? Just say, DO you support a position, yes or no? Or are you going to dodge for, what was this, the 14th time I’ve counted?
 
Ethan88 said:
There’s nothing to forget, such a relationship between a 50 year old and 12 year old can procreate and can raise children and does fit your logic.

Why are you so adamant about ignoring the question? Why can’t you give a solid yes or no answer, followed with your explanation? Just say, DO you support a position, yes or no? Or are you going to dodge for, what was this, the 14th time I’ve counted?
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Review post 214
 
Ethan88 said:
It’s called In vitro fertilisation, I’d describe it for you but I ran out of crayons.
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:eek:

Since when does in vitro fertilization cross a sperm with another or an egg with another?

Neither two males nor two females can contribute what is necessary to conceive a child, in vitro or otherwise. Making it colourful will not change reality.
 
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