Unrestricted "marriage" for everyone and everything- why not?

[Peter_Plato]

Also, I was giving you and Stephan a 101 on how invitro works, since you’ve never heard of it before.

Originally Posted by Peter Plato
Until sperm can fertilize sperm, or eggs fertilize eggs, this is a rather loose application of “they” creating children.

It’s called In vitro fertilisation, I’d describe it for you but I ran out of crayons.

You are running fast and loose with language, logic and reality.

Your statement in response to mine implied that sperm fertilizing sperm or eggs fertilizing eggs was “called” in vitro fertilization. Apparently, you have retracted that claim.

 

[PRmerger]

Question, if me and my boyfriend use a woman for invitro, what did we just do?

Then what you just did was a vile and immoral act.

The human person is never to be used.

 

[Stephen168]

I can’t believe I’m arguing with someone in favor of adults have sex with teenagers but here goes: consent is the reason I disapprove of it. A child is not old or wise enough to understand the implications of a sexual relationship with an adult.

You APPROVE of this relationship so long as the teenager is able to reproduce, that is, conceive a child. I’d love to see your face if your child came to you and told you she wanted to marry a 50 year old man, I’m sure you’d approve in that situation

Again, consent is a legal definition that can be changed. Currently in my country 18 and 19 year olds are legally adults, but that could change. Content changes depending on the subject. You have no reason to exclude pedophile relationships.

 

[Ethan88]

Be honest enough to admit you edited your post after I quoted it. Don’t put that error on me.

I was editing and rewording my whole post, but that was before you posted yours, as it takes you several minutes to type a post, so you did remove the ‘to’.

Besides, I’m here to help and educate you on a topic, not for you to tell how me to write. I know you have no legitimate arguments, but there’s no need to be childish. You did graduate high school, right? I mean you’re arguing about a missing ‘to’ in a sentence?

That maybe true but it does not make you and your boyfriend, by design, together fertile. You had to use a woman who was not your wife. You and your boyfriend by design, together are sterile and adopting children doesn’t change that.

Lots of couples together are sterile, I don’t base my morality on whether a relationship can procreate, otherwise a rapist could use the same logic to his victim.

 

[Ethan88]

Your statement in response to mine implied that sperm fertilizing sperm or eggs fertilizing eggs was “called” in vitro fertilization. Apparently, you have retracted that claim.

To lie is to sin, so perhaps you can show me where I said “sperm fertilizes sperm”. Just because you don’t know how invitro works, doesn’t mean you should make up a lie. I await your reply.

Then what you just did was a vile and immoral act.

The human person is never to be used.

So you think IVF is immoral? That in and of itself is vile and immoral and how dare you insult the couples, both gay and straight, that it’s helped create life. What you just said was sick.

Again, consent is a legal definition that can be changed. Currently in my country 18 and 19 year olds are legally adults, but that could change. Content changes depending on the subject. You have no reason to exclude pedophile relationships.

Age of consent can change, but not someone’s opinion on whether or not a child can consent.

We’ll just agree to disagree. You think children can consent to a sexual relationship with an adult abuser, and I think they can’t. I can’t convince someone who thinks up is down and down is up, so we’ll leave it at that. I just feel sorry for your children, god bless their poor, innocent souls.

 

[Stephen168]

Lots of couples together are sterile, I don’t base my morality on whether a relationship can procreate, otherwise a rapist could use the same logic to his victim.

First you think it is OK to use women to get a child. Now you think rape is a marital act.
Is this view common in the homosexual community?

 

[PRmerger]

So you think IVF is immoral?

Let’s just stick with my point, first, Ethan.

You do understand that to “use a woman” (your words, right?) is a vile and degrading concept.

Even non-Christians understand that this is wrong.

Yes? Or no?

Then we can discuss IVF.

 

[Peter_Plato]

I was editing and rewording my whole post, but that was before you posted yours, as it takes you several minutes to type a post, so you did remove the ‘to’.

Not so. I quoted you after your initial post and the “quoted” words were not changed after the fact by your posted edition because the exact wording of your initial post was held on my computer as I typed my response. You may not have realized that so I’ll accept your apology.

If you want to continue to insist that I “coincidentally” altered your initial post to the identical error that you took the time to correct then apparently “good faith” is not a quality of character of which you are yet capable. Man up, Ethan.

 

[Ethan88]

First you think it is OK to use women to get a child. Now you think rape is a marital act.
Is this view common in the homosexual community?

What are you talking about? Can you not read? Use a woman for invitro, that’s how it works, not rape her!

Don’t take offense to this question, but is English your first language? What you just said was equivalent to a Nurse saying “I used someone’s blood to inject into this patient” and you calling her a supporter of rape.

Maybe English is not your first language, so I apologize if you didn’t understand what the word ‘use’ means.

Let’s just stick with my point, first, Ethan.

You do understand that to “use a woman” (your words, right?) is a vile and degrading concept.

Even non-Christians understand that this is wrong.

Yes? Or no?

Then we can discuss IVF.

No, your take of what I said was vile. You twisted my words and can’t even understand the word ‘use’ in a sentence. Is it degrading to say a kidney transplant was done by person A who USED person’s B kidney? You’re disgusting for thinking otherwise, and insulting to every person who used IVF.

Not so. I quoted you after your initial post and the “quoted” words were not changed after the fact by your posted edition because the exact wording of your initial post was held on my computer as I typed my response. You may not have realized that so I’ll accept your apology.

If you want to continue to insist that I “coincidentally” altered your initial post to the identical error that you took the time to correct then apparently “good faith” is not a quality of character of which you are yet capable. Man up, Ethan.

The apology was rhetorical, and the fact that you’re making an argument of the word ‘to’ is disturbing. I suggest you find something better to do than argue about your inability to read a sentence.

 

[Stephen168]

Age of consent can change, but not someone’s opinion on whether or not a child can consent.

It is a government standard and it can change. Just like you want the government to call you married,

You think children can consent to a sexual relationship with an adult abuser, and I think they can’t. I can’t convince someone who thinks up is down and down is up, so we’ll leave it at that. I just feel sorry for your children, god bless their poor, innocent souls.

Like I said several posts ago. You can wave 21st century western culture in my face and use loaded words but it doesn’t change want marriage is.

-]So when you have children you can…/-]

 

[PRmerger]

What are you talking about? Can you not read? Use a woman for invitro, that’s how it works, not rape her!

Don’t take offense to this question, but is English your first language? What you just said was equivalent to a Nurse saying “I used someone’s blood to inject into this patient” and you calling her a supporter of rape.

Maybe English is not your first language, so I apologize if you didn’t understand what the word ‘use’ means.

No, your take of what I said was vile. You twisted my words and can’t even understand the word ‘use’ in a sentence. Is it degrading to say a kidney transplant was done by person A who USED person’s B kidney? You’re disgusting for thinking otherwise, and insulting to every person who used IVF.

The apology was rhetorical, and the fact that you’re making an argument of the word ‘to’ is disturbing. I suggest you find something better to do than argue about your inability to read a sentence.

Buh-bye, Ethan.

http://www.therightplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BuhBye.jpg

 

[Peter_Plato]

To lie is to sin, so perhaps you can show me where I said “sperm fertilizes sperm”. Just because you don’t know how invitro works, doesn’t mean you should make up a lie. I await your reply.

Okay.

Read this post very carefully and tell me that you didn’t say sperm fertilizing sperm or eggs fertilizing eggs was called in vitro fertilization

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10106644&postcount=206

Not only that but you continued to insist I was the one who didn’t know what I was talking about when I tried to point out your error.

Now you are realizing your mistake and retracting? How about an apology, as well?

 

[Ethan88]

It is a government standard and it can change. Just like you want the government to call you married,

Wait, you’ve already forgotten what we discussed? I thought I made it clear that the origins of marriage are unknown and that the definition (and is different) depending on the various cultures that existed, and that even gay marriages existed during the Ming dynasty.

Like I said several posts ago. You can wave 21st century western culture in my face and use loaded words but it doesn’t change want marriage is.

-]So when you have children you can…/-]

Let’s just put it this way, if I had a 14 year old child I’d rather have that child date another 14 year old of the same gender, than in your case, have your 14 year old child MARRY a 50 year old male because he’s of the opposite sex.

Buh-bye, Ethan.

Great argument, if you’re going to ban me for sticking up for couples who used IVF to create life and raised children, then do it. I will never appease to someone so disgusting as to insult those people, ever.

 

[Ethan88]

Okay.

Read this post very carefully and tell me that you didn’t say sperm fertilizing sperm or eggs fertilizing eggs was called in vitro fertilization

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10106644&postcount=206

Not only that but you continued to insist I was the one who didn’t know what I was talking about when I tried to point out your error.

Now you are realizing your mistake and retracting? How about an apology, as well?

I read it, the question now becomes, have you.

YOU said “sperm can’t fertilize sperm” responding to my post on invitro, to which I said (in your response to invitro), that what I was discussing was called invitro. You didn’t even know what invitro was 5 minutes ago, and yet my 8 year old newphew does!

 

[Peter_Plato]

The apology was rhetorical, and the fact that you’re making an argument of the word ‘to’ is disturbing. I suggest you find something better to do than argue about your inability to read a sentence.

There was no apology. Either, you also don’t know what an apology is or you are dodging responsibility for your false accusation.

I can read very well. This is demonstrated in the fact that I am calling you on your inability to play (pardon the pun) straight with your words.

Man up, Ethan!

 

[Peter_Plato]

I read it, the question now becomes, have you.

YOU said “sperm can’t fertilize sperm” responding to my post on invitro, to which I said (in your response to invitro), that what I was discussing was called invitro. You didn’t even know what invitro was 5 minutes ago, and yet my 8 year old newphew does!

What’s a newphew?

 

[Ethan88]

What’s a newphew?

Since you want to play that game, it’s an extra letter that wasn’t suppose to be there (a bit like your extra chromosome)

 

[Peter_Plato]

Since you want to play that game, it’s an extra letter that wasn’t suppose to be there (a bit like your extra chromosome)

Good one!

Oh wait! I have an extra one? Is that bad?

Does that mean you won’t love me anymore?

 

[Ethan88]

Does that mean you won’t love me anymore?

I don’t love you…but that’s only because I’m into…men

 

[fix]

What does real estate have to do with this?

About as much as two men pretending they could ever be “married”.