Unwelcome mat rolled out for some [nuns' and priests'] housing plans

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"At first blush, a retirement community of mainly retired priests and nuns in Chicago’s Mount Greenwood neighborhood would seem a harmless enough way to help meet the need for senior housing in the area. But the development has sparked outrage in nearby Evergreen Park, where residents say the proposed 146-unit community at 10024 S. Central Park Ave. will add traffic and noise to an already-congested area.

It’s a fight seen throughout the Chicago region in recent years: proponents of senior housing developments pitted against opponents who argue they clog traffic and ruin the residential appeal of many neighborhoods…

One of village’s chief objections in its lawsuit is that when Evergreen Park agreed to de-annex the property, the Sisters agreed to use the land only for education.

Roughly 65 to 75 percent of the units would be for retired priests and nuns, with the rest for other members of the community. The faith-based senior housing would be developed by the Franciscan Sisters of Chicago Service Corp.

“There isn’t a Catholic center on the South Side that provides a continuing-care residential community that deals with the growing in wisdom, age and grace ministry,” said Sister Sheila Megley, who is coordinating the project."

chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-x-s-elderly-housing-0901-20100901,0,7751526.story

Folks should know that the area is heavily Catholic and full of cops and firemen.
 
**“proponents of senior housing developments pitted against opponents who argue they clog traffic and ruin the residential appeal of many neighborhoods…”

How on earth can a senior housing developments “clog traffic…?”

Some people are so selfish & ignorant!
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Mark77 said:
**“proponents of senior housing developments pitted against opponents who argue they clog traffic and ruin the residential appeal of many neighborhoods…”

How on earth can a senior housing developments “clog traffic…?”

Some people are so selfish & ignorant!
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Oh you know. There’s a shortage of handicapped parking downtown and with all the extra wheelchairs on the sidewalks competing with people walking their pet dogs and kids skateboarding and more people pushing the pedestrian traffic-light crossing buttons its gonna mess up some one’s lifestyle… :rolleyes:

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What sort of person would deny another human being a home just because of some traffic?

What’s more; not only are these other human beings; they are vunerable and dedicated people who have given their working lives to helping others. Refusing them a place to sleep just because it would slightly devalue local property and increase traffic is at best obscene; and at worst evil.
 
Yeah, it’s in a residential area, but Xavier University is right there too, and I can’t believe that a senior housing center would add anything significant compared to the traffic coming through the area to the university. Central Park isn’t exactly a high-traffic street (it’s high enough to get a stoplight at the intersection with 103rd Street, but it’s still essentially a two-lane residential street, and I think the light is mainly there to give residents a regulated access point since traffic on 103rd is a nightmare).
 
Well, maybe the retirement home shouldda been put on the St. X campus?
 
There must be something else motivating this action on the part of Evergreen Park, traffic in and out of a 146 unit retirement home just can’t be a show stopper.
 
AnotherVoice said:
There must be something else motivating this action on the part of Evergreen Park, traffic in and out of a 146 unit retirement home just can’t be a show stopper.
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Over concentration of Catholics per square-mile. When the density of pious holiness gets too high it upsets the demons who have possessed the heathen in the area and causes them too much pain to tolerate. Catholics are tolerated only in small numbers and only when they know their place in America. Too many Catholic obituaries will start showing up in the local mullet wrapper and that will also make the secularists uncomfortable since as soon as one retired Catholic religious dies another will be moved in to take his apartment. The progression implies that Catholicism is growing in their city - that unsettles them.

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I don’t know what is motivating the folks in Evergreen Park, but in other areas residents have complained of the ambulance noise. Also, every now and then the folks would see a confused senior walking down the sidewalk in a bathrobe. These seem like minor irritants to me.

Since Evergreen Park (home of the Unibomber and the former south side St. Patrick’s Day parade) is predominantly Catholic, I don’t see religion as a factor.
 
Mark77 said:
**“proponents of senior housing developments pitted against opponents who argue they clog traffic and ruin the residential appeal of many neighborhoods…”

How on earth can a senior housing developments “clog traffic…?”

Some people are so selfish & ignorant!
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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This is the city where Obama learned his craft of anti-American politics, and where they worshiped thugs and murderers like Al Capone as a hero. What do you expect? Sympathy towards the elderly? Rationing health care anyone?
 
Personally, I think it is wrong to deny these people a place to live simply because of traffic concerns. Traffic can be taken care of in various ways. They could possibly build an extra road or two somewhere or install a traffic light or two somewhere to help regulate the flow of traffic through the area.
 
There is a definate age bias out there today. I represented a similar project two years ago outside Woodstock, IL and the opposition was vociferous! They masked their animus in trumped up traffic objections, concern about groundwater depletion, density (it was a huge site and only a small portion of it would be built up), and (my favorite) objections to all the pharmaceuticals that would end up flushed into the septic system and eventually into groundwater!

If they were honest and admitted that they hate old people because they don’t want to be reminded of their mortality, nobody would listen to them. So they attempt to trump up other reasons to get it denied.
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
The city is listed as 70% Catholic.
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Hmm, I never trust stats unless they are verified. Isn’t this a city that voted more than 60% in favor of pro-death/abortion candidates? The voting stats would not bear out that stat demographic unless most Catholics are too young to vote. Maybe that’s the problem, the city wants fewer voting age true Catholics? 😛

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bona_fides said:
Hmm, I never trust stats unless they are verified. Isn’t this a city that voted more than 60% in favor of pro-death/abortion candidates? The voting stats would not bear out that stat demographic unless most Catholics are too young to vote. Maybe that’s the problem, the city wants fewer voting age true Catholics?
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I guess we can never have a thread without folks extrapolating abortion views. (Audible sigh)

The county went 77% for the president in 2008; It would take me half an hour to pull out Evergreen Park stats. Religious stats are for county-wide. It is 69.3% Catholic.

city-data.com/city/Evergreen-Park-Illinois.html

"The White population within Evergreen Park is overwhelmingly Irish Catholic "

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Beau_Ouiville said:
Wrong. This is not Chicago.

“Evergreen Park is located at 41°43′12″N 87°42′9″W / 41.72°N 87.7025°W / 41.72; -87.7025Coordinates: 41°43′12″N 87°42′9″W / 41.72°N 87.7025°W / 41.72; -87.7025 (41.719933, -87.702499)[2]. The suburb[of CHICAGO!!!] is surrounded by the city of Chicago on three of its sides”

“Evergreen Park is in Illinois’ 1st congressional district, and its congressman is Democrat Bobby Rush. The village backed Barack Obama by a margin of 61.25% to 37.40% over John McCain in 2008” --SHOCKING!!!

Wrong again. This is not Cicero.

“Alphonse Gabriel “Al” Capone (January 18, 1899 – January 25, 1947) was an American gangster who led a Prohibition-era crime syndicate, known then as the “Capones,” dedicated to smuggling and bootlegging liquor and other illegal activities, in** Chicago**, from the early 1920s to 1931,”

“Capone departed New York for** Chicago**, without his new wife and son, who would join him later. Capone purchased a modest house at 7244 South Prairie Ave. in the Park Manor neighborhood on the city’s south side in 1923 for USD $5,500.[11]”

“The 1924 town council elections in Cicero became known as one of the most crooked elections in the** Chicago area’s** long history”

“The Lexington Hotel in Chicago, Illinois, which served as Capone’s headquarters”

Leave off the irrelevant hijack.

Ya gonna send Bill Ayers after me if I dont!!!(please do…) I know guys from Chicago like to try to threaten or boss people around, and have terrorists and criminals run and back your politicians(yeah Chicago isn’t the only one, but no one flaunts it so shamelessly as you guys), but I hunted terrorists when I was in Iraq. Ive got 4 years in the Marine Corps and nearly 4 in the Army and nearly a year and a half deployed to Baghdad. Ive earned my 1st amendment rights pal. Unless a mod or admin tells me otherwise, Ill post whatever the hell I want.
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Perhaps I should further elaborate my blunt point. If Chicago(or Chicago like areas, in and around the vicinity of Chicago…areas considered to be suburbs of the previously mentioned Chicago…etc…etc…) raised up politicians like Commie Obomie and guys like Ayers and the like who are essentially self admitted communists or marxists, then one should not be surprised at a cosmopolitanistic like disdain for the elderly. They are ugly, smelly, most importantly they are a burden to society in the fact they neither produce any material products, and typically they consume more being in their weak and frail state. They also take up leisure time in taking care of them, and we cant let things interfere with our leisure time now can we… It is quite consistent with a materialistic viewpoint, that they should be disdained and not desired in the general vicinity in which one might reside if you cant just do away with them altogether…

In short Im not surprised these people think this way, seeing what comes out of the area as far as politics and politicians are concerned. “Know a tree by its Fruits…”

I doubt the vocal ones were the Catholic majority. If indeed they were, they are about as Catholic as Ted Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi, which is to say they really arent.
 
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