Update #3 re: Alcoholic Husband

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I believe last I posted, my husband was in a 30-day (name removed by moderator)atient treatment program, and he was pretty adamant about returning to the house when he finished.

Through the process of the treatment, he agreed to go to a sober living situation; however, he of course didn’t follow through on that and came right home. He started his first day home by insisting that I live “as if” nothing had ever been wrong and be his wife “100%, the way the Bible calls you to.” We argued over that a lot because he felt that because alcoholism is a disease, I couldn’t be hurt/hold him responsible for anything he had done, and I felt a lot of pain around it all and thought he should be willing to give me time to work through things.

We were able to get into a counselor - I don’t believe she was a marriage counselor but we went to her twice before he called it quits. When we finally got to the root of things (that he was insisting our relationship be 100% restored right.NOW regardless of my pain/feelings) she made a comment to the effect of not rushing things because that can push people the opposite way, and some people heal from these things and others don’t. He didn’t want to hear that.

So he was home and sober for 4 weeks (so 8 total counting his time in treatment) before he had a few drinks at work because “They handed me a drink, I couldn’t say no.” That of course turned into “Well, I didn’t fall off the rails with that, so I can have a drink or two, here or there.” Which of course turned into binges.

Thanksgiving weekend proved too much for him (too much time at home, too much time with no work to do, too much time with my family) and he pretty much lost it. With the kids in the room, he threatened to blow his brains out if I couldn’t be his wife the way he wanted (read: sex, 2-3x a day ideally, plus all the lovey kiss/hug/cuddle/etc every time we were in the same vicinity), and then threatened to throw a coffee table across the room (where two of our children were sitting).

I had my parents pick up the kids, and tried to talk him down (because either that was a try at manipulating me or he really needed help). Hindsight of course is 20/20 and I should have left with the kids when my parents came. He continued along the same lines… threatening things, trying to “bargain” or negotiate his sobriety (if he got sex 3x a day, he wouldn’t have to drink, etc) and I was having none of that so I decided to leave.

I was able to get in the car, but he pulled the automatic window down (as I was trying to roll it up). I grabbed my phone to call 911 and he lunged through the open window to grab the phone. I had the car in reverse at this point so I slowly started backing up, and he got back out of the car, but then put his foot under the car and threatened to “get me for assault and you’ll never see the kids again” if I ran his foot over. My reaction was to laugh, not because it was funny but because of how ridiculous this was, and thank God… that made him back up and ask me if I’d just laughed at him. I immediately backed away and left.

Now… I fully realize how stupid this will sound, but he swore he was done drinking, he shouldn’t have said he was going to kill himself, etc so we went back. He was sober for a full 4 days before he started in again and drank himself into a stupor. In that time, he had to call in sick to work (brand new job), drove drunk to the airport and got on a plane to go to training, was refused alcohol at several liquor stores when he got there, was too drunk to figure out where he needed to be, etc etc etc.

I FINALLY took the advice of the pastor at my husband’s church and talked to a counselor that he highly recommended just this past Thursday. He helped me by not only confirming how I was feeling about all of this, but also showing me that many of the things that were going on were in fact emotional, psychological and spiritual abuse.

I went to the local woman’s advocacy group, they helped me to file a restraining order (I wasn’t sure if when he got back and found out that I was actually making changes if he would resort to using his guns, especially since he had threatened suicide before). I have since contacted an attorney officially (will be meeting with him tomorrow), started my own bank account (I only took 1/3 of the money, so hopefully I won’t get in legal trouble over that). The order gives me full custody of the children until the hearing (Thursday) at which time I am hoping and praying the judge will see the situation for what it is and continue the order (but with supervised visits at a neutral location, during which he would have to be sober).

I had originally thought I would file for separation, but I have been advised against that for a few reasons, not the least of which is right now, knowing the amount of time he would require just to have the affects of the alcohol on his brain reversed and to START thinking normally again, he’s going to need probably a minimum of a year. After that there are other things he would need to address - his manipulation, codependence, selfishness, etc before I would even consider trying to work things out with him and I don’t think he would consider that a separation is a long term thing.

So my “job” through all of this is to not let him (or his family) get to me to manipulate/convince me that I’m blowing things out of proportion, but also to not let myself second guess what I’m doing - and I have a great support system with family, friends and my counselor. I need to stay the course and hold my ground and remind myself I’m not taking these steps to change him, I’m taking these steps to keep myself and my children safe and healthy.
 
You are doing the right thing for you and your children! No matter what anyone tells you, or how tempted you may be to second-guess, please remember that. I have been almost exactly where you are – word for word. When you are away for a while, you will see things even more clearly, and you will grow stronger and stronger. God bless!
 
I believe last I posted, my husband was in a 30-day (name removed by moderator)atient treatment program, and he was pretty adamant about returning to the house when he finished.

Through the process of the treatment, he agreed to go to a sober living situation; however, he of course didn’t follow through on that and came right home. He started his first day home by insisting that I live “as if” nothing had ever been wrong and be his wife “100%, the way the Bible calls you to.” We argued over that a lot because he felt that because alcoholism is a disease, I couldn’t be hurt/hold him responsible for anything he had done, and I felt a lot of pain around it all and thought he should be willing to give me time to work through things.

We were able to get into a counselor - I don’t believe she was a marriage counselor but we went to her twice before he called it quits. When we finally got to the root of things (that he was insisting our relationship be 100% restored right.NOW regardless of my pain/feelings) she made a comment to the effect of not rushing things because that can push people the opposite way, and some people heal from these things and others don’t. He didn’t want to hear that.

So he was home and sober for 4 weeks (so 8 total counting his time in treatment) before he had a few drinks at work because “They handed me a drink, I couldn’t say no.” That of course turned into “Well, I didn’t fall off the rails with that, so I can have a drink or two, here or there.” Which of course turned into binges.

Thanksgiving weekend proved too much for him (too much time at home, too much time with no work to do, too much time with my family) and he pretty much lost it. With the kids in the room, he threatened to blow his brains out if I couldn’t be his wife the way he wanted (read: sex, 2-3x a day ideally, plus all the lovey kiss/hug/cuddle/etc every time we were in the same vicinity), and then threatened to throw a coffee table across the room (where two of our children were sitting).

I had my parents pick up the kids, and tried to talk him down (because either that was a try at manipulating me or he really needed help). Hindsight of course is 20/20 and I should have left with the kids when my parents came. He continued along the same lines… threatening things, trying to “bargain” or negotiate his sobriety (if he got sex 3x a day, he wouldn’t have to drink, etc) and I was having none of that so I decided to leave.

I was able to get in the car, but he pulled the automatic window down (as I was trying to roll it up). I grabbed my phone to call 911 and he lunged through the open window to grab the phone. I had the car in reverse at this point so I slowly started backing up, and he got back out of the car, but then put his foot under the car and threatened to “get me for assault and you’ll never see the kids again” if I ran his foot over. My reaction was to laugh, not because it was funny but because of how ridiculous this was, and thank God… that made him back up and ask me if I’d just laughed at him. I immediately backed away and left.

Now… I fully realize how stupid this will sound, but he swore he was done drinking, he shouldn’t have said he was going to kill himself, etc so we went back. He was sober for a full 4 days before he started in again and drank himself into a stupor. In that time, he had to call in sick to work (brand new job), drove drunk to the airport and got on a plane to go to training, was refused alcohol at several liquor stores when he got there, was too drunk to figure out where he needed to be, etc etc etc.

I FINALLY took the advice of the pastor at my husband’s church and talked to a counselor that he highly recommended just this past Thursday. He helped me by not only confirming how I was feeling about all of this, but also showing me that many of the things that were going on were in fact emotional, psychological and spiritual abuse.

I went to the local woman’s advocacy group, they helped me to file a restraining order (I wasn’t sure if when he got back and found out that I was actually making changes if he would resort to using his guns, especially since he had threatened suicide before). I have since contacted an attorney officially (will be meeting with him tomorrow), started my own bank account (I only took 1/3 of the money, so hopefully I won’t get in legal trouble over that). The order gives me full custody of the children until the hearing (Thursday) at which time I am hoping and praying the judge will see the situation for what it is and continue the order (but with supervised visits at a neutral location, during which he would have to be sober).

I had originally thought I would file for separation, but I have been advised against that for a few reasons, not the least of which is right now, knowing the amount of time he would require just to have the affects of the alcohol on his brain reversed and to START thinking normally again, he’s going to need probably a minimum of a year. After that there are other things he would need to address - his manipulation, codependence, selfishness, etc before I would even consider trying to work things out with him and I don’t think he would consider that a separation is a long term thing.

So my “job” through all of this is to not let him (or his family) get to me to manipulate/convince me that I’m blowing things out of proportion, but also to not let myself second guess what I’m doing - and I have a great support system with family, friends and my counselor. I need to stay the course and hold my ground and remind myself I’m not taking these steps to change him, I’m taking these steps to keep myself and my children safe and healthy.
That’s so scary!

Nothing you have done is an overreaction.

Please be safe!
 
You need to protect yourself and your children and if you need to live separately to do so then do it.
 
You need to protect yourself and your children and if you need to live separately to do so then do it.
I Agree!

Your safety is more important than his insatiable needs. I mean, come on. Three times a day, with small children at home, and a completely mentally and physically exhausted mommy? Not realistic. :nope:

I believe even if he did “give up alcohol” in return for more sex, that he may succeed with not drinking but then he would trade that addiction for a sexual addiction. He’d always want more and when you couldn’t provide it all then what?

Please find a safe place for you and the children. You certainly don’t have to divorce but your husband needs to know that he cannot treat you and the children like this, and until he gets professional help and/or some priestly counseling and changes his ways for good that the separate living situation will continue.

You are a good beautiful person and I will keep you and your husband and children in my prayers. :console:
 
So proud of you. I can’t imagine how difficult this all must be, but you are doing the right thing. One day your children will be so thankful that you loved them enough to keep them healthy and safe. What a great mother.
 
Please find a safe place for you and the children. You certainly don’t have to divorce but your husband needs to know that he cannot treat you and the children like this, and until he gets professional help and/or some priestly counseling and changes his ways for good that the separate living situation will continue.
Because of his unrelenting, badgering nature, I believe that I need to be nowhere near him for myself and my children to be safe. The only way to legally stay away from him is through divorce or separation - so he can’t say “You’re my wife, you’re required to to x, y or z” or “This is my house too, I can be here if I want.”

Yes, a legal separation could work in this instance as well, but knowing him as I do, if he had even the tiniest shred of “we might be able to make this work” that shred would eat at him until he bursts with “well, what date can you put on the calendar where we can say we’re back together?” Or “A separation isn’t as final as divorce - technically we’re still married. So you need to give me sex, etc”

For my own health, sanity and safety, this needs to be done. Not halfway, not with a “well maybe someday we can work this out” or anything like that, just DONE. If by some chance, a long way down the road, he has truly made changes in his life, at that time I can consider if I’d like to try to reconcile with him. But if and until then, my children and I are my top priority.
 
You’re doing the right thing. You and your children are in my prayers. Stay safe and stay strong.
 
I’m proud of you and am glad to hear you’re looking after yourself and your children. God bless you and thank you for updating. :hug1:
 
So proud of you. I can’t imagine how difficult this all must be, but you are doing the right thing. One day your children will be so thankful that you loved them enough to keep them healthy and safe. What a great mother.
This. My adult children have thanked me profusely. Stay strong. Peace,
 
Wow, I am glad that you have made your decision. It’s been a long time coming. Please, post on the prayer intention thread so we can pray for you daily.
 
Because of his unrelenting, badgering nature, I believe that I need to be nowhere near him for myself and my children to be safe. The only way to legally stay away from him is through divorce or separation - so he can’t say “You’re my wife, you’re required to to x, y or z” or “This is my house too, I can be here if I want.”

Yes, a legal separation could work in this instance as well, but knowing him as I do, if he had even the tiniest shred of “we might be able to make this work” that shred would eat at him until he bursts with “well, what date can you put on the calendar where we can say we’re back together?” Or “A separation isn’t as final as divorce - technically we’re still married. So you need to give me sex, etc”

For my own health, sanity and safety, this needs to be done. Not halfway, not with a “well maybe someday we can work this out” or anything like that, just DONE. If by some chance, a long way down the road, he has truly made changes in his life, at that time I can consider if I’d like to try to reconcile with him. But if and until then, my children and I are my top priority.
Good for you! Stick with your plan and don’t let ANYONE try and tell you that you are not doing the right thing for yourself and your children. This mess will be over soon and then you can heal and get on with your life.
 
Because of his unrelenting, badgering nature, I believe that I need to be nowhere near him for myself and my children to be safe. The only way to legally stay away from him is through divorce or separation - so he can’t say “You’re my wife, you’re required to to x, y or z” or “This is my house too, I can be here if I want.”

Yes, a legal separation could work in this instance as well, but knowing him as I do, if he had even the tiniest shred of “we might be able to make this work” that shred would eat at him until he bursts with “well, what date can you put on the calendar where we can say we’re back together?” Or “A separation isn’t as final as divorce - technically we’re still married. So you need to give me sex, etc”

For my own health, sanity and safety, this needs to be done. Not halfway, not with a “well maybe someday we can work this out” or anything like that, just DONE. If by some chance, a long way down the road, he has truly made changes in his life, at that time I can consider if I’d like to try to reconcile with him. But if and until then, my children and I are my top priority.
I didn’t say you couldn’t in this situation. It was only an attempt to get you to safety if you were still reluctant to go. Did you read the rest of my post I hope? I’m really trying to be supportive. :o
 
I didn’t say you couldn’t in this situation. It was only an attempt to get you to safety if you were still reluctant to go. Did you read the rest of my post I hope? I’m really trying to be supportive. :o
I did read it, and I apologize if it seemed like I took offense - I was mostly practicing what I say if that little voice in my head (or someone else) is saying what I feel amounts to “You don’t need to go to that extent” 🙂
 
You and your children’s safety is the most important thing right now.

Another support for you might be Al-Anon. They are wonderful people who are going through or have gone through similar situations. You need to know that his alcoholism has effected you in ways you may not even be aware of. I learned a lot at Al-Anon. They can help you heal.

God Bless You.
 
This afternoon is the hearing to determine if the order for protection will be kept on for a longer period of time. I am more nervous for this than I think I have been for anything else in my life. Thoughts and prayers would be much appreciated!

I was having some doubts this morning (which logically I know what I’m thinking isn’t right) and I immediately started praying. 15 minutes later the pastor gave me a call to remind me I’m doing the right thing. It’s just really hard to get yourself out of the thinking that things aren’t really that bad (even when you know it’s not true).
 
This afternoon is the hearing to determine if the order for protection will be kept on for a longer period of time. I am more nervous for this than I think I have been for anything else in my life. Thoughts and prayers would be much appreciated!

I was having some doubts this morning (which logically I know what I’m thinking isn’t right) and I immediately started praying. 15 minutes later the pastor gave me a call to remind me I’m doing the right thing. It’s just really hard to get yourself out of the thinking that things aren’t really that bad (even when you know it’s not true).
All the best to you, tinamn. I said a prayer for you and your family.

While I am not a counselor (nor do I play one on TV), it sounds like you’ve been through a lot of pain, abuse, and suffering that you and your children didn’t deserve. I hope you find peace and safety while your husband finds help – lasting help that will finally help him overcome alcoholism once and for all. Your leaving might just spur him on to do that, with God’s help. Easier said than done, I know. Sounds like you have a wise pastor. 👍
 
I’m so happy that you and your children are safe now, though your story is tragic. You’ve done so well to see through the lies that women with abusive husbands often try to explain away. The drinking alone was damaging to you and the kids, but your husband should not be allowed to carry and should probably do jail time for done of the stuff he’s done. Your kids will be so much better off now. I hope you all do as well as you can given the circumstances. I’m glad you have your parents, the pastor and a councillor to help you. I will pray for your family.
 
You’re doing the right thing OP. Reading your story makes me appreciate what my mother had to do, and I know your kids will too. God bless you. :tiphat:
 
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