UPDATE: Homeopathic Meds--BAD!!!

[ahimsaman72]

Petergee:

The blind religious zeal for so-called “alternative” medicines by several here has perfectly illustrated my point about false religion. Have faith in Christ, not in the false prophetrs of “alternative” therapies, and use your God-given brain to analyse all claims for health benefits.

Have you ever studied them or used them? What I find is that like everything else - people don’t like change and they are afraid of things unknown. And, some people have to have scientific proof for everything. That’s great - now find scientific proof for the resurrection of Christ. Your thinking is materialist and doesn’t have room for the non-traditional. Expand your horizons o materialist one

 

[oldfogey]

If you take any medication, whether from an allopathic doctor, or a homeopath, etc. you are using a material thing for a material effect. To argue that non-traditional medicines have some other effect really is to believe they have some other power, and I think that would be dangerous and probably against Church teaching. It would make them more potions (in the Wiccan sense) than medicines.

 

[Detroit_Sue]

Celia:

Well as far as I know, relexology is a form of massage and has nothing to do with the occult. Reiki and all that nonsense should always be avoided though of course.

That’s exactly what I thought.

 

[Courtneyjo]

Petergee:

The blind religious zeal for so-called “alternative” medicines by several here has perfectly illustrated my point about false religion. Have faith in Christ, not in the false prophetrs of “alternative” therapies, and use your God-given brain to analyse all claims for health benefits.

So Christ supports “modern medicine” and not herbs?

What about those great gifts of modern medicine that had to be pulled off the market because they were dangerous e.g. thalidomide in the 1960’s?

Petergee:

Which I wouldn’t be too concerned about, except that as this is a Catholic site, readers may get the impression that “Catholics are gullible fools who are willing to believe ANYTHING they’re told by a spieler without logically analysing it”, and so in the readers’ minds, may cast doubt upon the truths of our Faith.

Anyone who thinks that Catholics are gullible fools because some use alternative medicine is not using his God given-brain. That use of alternative medicine may cast doubts about the truths of Our Faith is bogus.

 

[LSK]

mikew262:

There is a lot of Reiki bashing going on in this thread and others that I have observed. Based on what I have read, most of it is based on ignorance and/or fear versus anything factual.

My wife is a registered nurse, a former massage therapist and a Reiki Master. She uses it or has used it for nothing but pure healing purposes; there is nothing evil about it whatsoever. The bible is full of passages encouraging people to heal and to use their spirtual gifts. If the use of this makes people feel better, how is this evil?

There is a web site called www.ChristianReiki.org that has a wealth of info concerning the use of this gift by christians, including many open-minded catholics. I suggest you read it before offering a uneducated opinion. Samething goes for homeopathic meds as well.

I don’t think our Lord would have a problem with this.

Thanks!

Mike

I haven’t looked at the website as yet - there is a difference, then, between (I guess) what would be called ‘traditional’ Reiki and those who use a Christian Reiki method?

 

[LSK]

OH! And I am now into the 11th week of using the gelatin every day. Yesterday I put on a pair of shoes I could not wear all last year because my feet were so inflamed that wearing them were just out of the question. Not only did they FIT but I discovered they might be a little BIG for me :dancing: .

My rheumatologist and I were talking about this and he wonders if the gelatin has helped the swelling and the two meds I take that retard the immune system that is causing the inflamation ect are doing THEIR job so…

Now the next thing that was suggested - and the Doc said, sure let’s try it - is a shot glass full of plain vinegar every day (ewwwwwww).

I’ll let you all know…

 

[jess7396]

LSK:

Now the next thing that was suggested - and the Doc said, sure let’s try it - is a shot glass full of plain vinegar every day (ewwwwwww).

I’ll let you all know…

Be careful, vinegar might be dangerous to the soul

 

[mikew262]

LSK:

I haven’t looked at the website as yet - there is a difference, then, between (I guess) what would be called ‘traditional’ Reiki and those who use a Christian Reiki method?

I think the point of the Christian Reiki website is that there is nothing wrong with christians (which includes catholics) using traditional reiki as a healing method. Among other things, it gives testimonials about the successes of using reiki and biblical references for it’s use.

I’m not sure what your current opinion is on reiki, but I encourage you to look at the website.

Evil and bad, it’s not.

Mike

 

[Pious]

LSK:

Now the next thing that was suggested - and the Doc said, sure let’s try it - is a shot glass full of plain vinegar every day (ewwwwwww).

I’ll let you all know…

Where pain is felt there is normally a build up of acid in that area, to combat this build up it is recommended to take an alkaline substance, which would be apple cider vinegar which is alkaline; normal household vinegar is acidic.

I have known of apple cider vinegar being recommended for rheumatism, but not plain vinegar.

besides apple cider vinegar tastes nicer

 

[Karin]

LSK:

OH! And I am now into the 11th week of using the gelatin every day. Yesterday I put on a pair of shoes I could not wear all last year because my feet were so inflamed that wearing them were just out of the question. Not only did they FIT but I discovered they might be a little BIG for me :dancing: .

My rheumatologist and I were talking about this and he wonders if the gelatin has helped the swelling and the two meds I take that retard the immune system that is causing the inflamation ect are doing THEIR job so…

Now the next thing that was suggested - and the Doc said, sure let’s try it - is a shot glass full of plain vinegar every day (ewwwwwww).

I’ll let you all know…

** I hope it is apple cider vinegar…and not white vinegar. We use apple cider vinegar for acid reflux but it is good for other things.**

 

[Zooey]

puzzleannie:

New Agers have appropriated and misused all kinds of neutral and good things, that is no reason to stop using them in the intended way for the intended purpose, and does not make these things inherently evil.

herbs and herbal remedies
natural and alternative medical therapies
incense
crystals, (even heaven help us crystal rosaries)
labyrinths
even bible verses, quoted for their own purposes.

Do we stop using something inherently good or neutral because someone else has used it to a bad end? that is like the superstition against cats because some witches supposedly used cats for their own evil purposes. makes no sense.

homeopathic medicine is a long accepted alterntive to allopathy (medicine which uses drugs that produce a contrary effect to the symptom being treated). You may disagree with it for scientific reasons, but don’t blame that on new-agers, who are quite capable of corrupting any good thing with their idiocies.

Great post!!! Thank you!!!
This is how I feel, but said better than I ever could!!!

 

[Zooey]

I just want to add a smallish testimonial of my own: I have treated myself & my pets for years with homeopathic medicines. Many problems that might well have turned into the stuff of an office visit, can be treated naturally.
Now, I might possibly be assumed to be “making believe” or reacting to a “placebo effect”, but what about dogs & cats??? The medicine works or the medicine doesn’t. I have told the vet about these remedies, & he asked if they really work. When I said ‘yes’, he said that I should continue with them, then. He also asked about the main ingredients in a couple of them, as he was dealing with some of the same things in his own cats, & was frustrated by the inability to treat without over-medicating them!!
In other words, they work. They work for patients that have no way of knowing what they are supposed to do. And, at least one very scientifically trained man of my acquaintance has thrown his support behind their use.
The ultimate question, to me, is that of said vet: “Do they work?” If a system of treatment works, why should we throw out the baby with the bathwater, in order to appease the very real (IMHO) “idol” of contemporary medicine, which has its own dark side??? A side that involves abortion, the Pill, etc, etc, ad nauseum??

 

[stmaxfan]

Thanks to all who have posted. I just read Moira Kelly’s book, Ransomed from Darkness. On page 94, she related a story where, at Medjugorie, she went through deliverance with a healing priest and he told her to renounce homeopathy and its founder, Samuel Hahnemann. I did a search for him on Yahoo and the mainstream sites don’t say anything, but the occult sites claim him as one of their own. Apparently, he was a Diest, a Freemason and had some involvement with Egyptian occultism. Hope this is helpful.

stmaxfan

 

[stmaxfan]

Hi everyone, sorry to post 2x in a row, but I got cut off last time. I’d like to clarify some things:

I don’t have anything against homeopathy, in fact, I’ve used it in the past. However, in discerning whether to use it to treat my son, I was led to question it and then met Moira Noonan. She is an expert on the occult and I figured she would be the one to ask. When I heard her answer I wanted to pass it on to fellow Catholics who might be interested. That’s all-- no ulterior motive.

Homeopathy is not herbal medecine. They are two different disciplines. The homeopathic meds I was specifically asking about are the traditional ones developed by Hahnemann.

IMO, saying something like “It doesn’t matter where it comes from, if it works, who cares?” is a dangerous statement. For example, police psychics solve lots of crimes. Good, right? Well, if they are not praying to the Holy Spirit for enlightenment, then where are they getting their information? Let’s not forget there’s a spiritual battle going on and fallen angels use deception to shift our focus away from God. If information is not from God, then it has got to be from an evil spirit, who, being intelligent, would have access to past, present and future. That is why, in all things, we should use the discernment process and be submissive to the Holy Spirit.

In my discernment, I have discovered that these meds were formulated using divination. I have also found out that Fr. Philip Pavich, a healing priest from Medjugorie who specializes in deliverance, feels the need to have people renounce the use of the meds and the creator of the meds. For me, this is enough to make me decide to avoid them.

Some of the posts in this thread were extremely sarcastic and I apologize to anyone who they may have offended. My intent in starting this thread was to help in my discernment process and pass along the info I found, not to poke fun at others.

Thanks to all of you for your opinions. I appreciate the interest.

stmaxfan

 

[Heart_Of_Mary]

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Actually, it can be and usually is. The dictionary definition states the meaning of “homeopathy” as the following. So, you see, you cannot make a blanket statement such as this. Traditional medicine actually use this in some ways - the most common being immunizations which are made out of a bit of the disease that they are preventing. Herbs, as far as I know, are the most common form of homeopathy. Can you tell me what else is used in homeopathy to produce the desired result? I am really curious.

BTW - this has been a great thread - thanks for starting it!
KB

ho·me·op·a·thy hmee óppəthee ]

noun Definitions: **complementary disease treatment system: **a complementary disease-treatment system in which a patient is given minute doses of natural substances that in larger doses would produce symptoms of the disease itself

 

[Courtneyjo]

en.wikipedia.org states:

homeopathy uses a wide variety of animal, plant, mineral, and chemical substances of natural or synthetic origin. Examples include Natrum muriaticum (sodium chloride or table salt),lachesis muta (the venom of the bushmaster snake), Opium, and Thyroidinum (thyroid hormone).

 

[spiritblows]

As I said, homeopathy is used in Europe a lot. I did a little google and found out that some of our Popes have used it.

What is Homeopathy?

“Homeopathic remedies are to be found in almost all pharmacies in Europe. At least 40% of the British population receives a homeopathic prescription every year and more than one third of the French are treated with homeopathy. Famous people that have used homeopathy include John D. Rockefeller (who lived 99 years), three American presidents, James Garfield, Chester A. Arthur and Warren Harding, Henry W. Longfellow, Washington Irving, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Mahatma Gandhi, Mark Twain, Samuel Morse, Sir Yehudi Mehuhin, a great part of the aristocracy and European royalty (i.e.: members of the British royal family such as the Queen mother, the present Queen Elizabeth II, her son Prince Charles) and a number of popes including Pius X and the current pope, John Paul II.”

 

[Heart_Of_Mary]

Courtneyjo:

en.wikipedia.org states:

homeopathy uses a wide variety of animal, plant, mineral, and chemical substances of natural or synthetic origin. Examples include Natrum muriaticum (sodium chloride or table salt),lachesis muta (the venom of the bushmaster snake), Opium, and Thyroidinum (thyroid hormone).

I always wondered what good a poisonous snake was - now I know .
KB

 

[Petergee]

mikew262:

I have looked at “Quackwatch”, and while some of what it says may be valid, remember it’s run by a traditional medical doctor. I feel many (not all) in traditional medicine feel a little threatened by some alternative medicine practices because either they work or they don’t understand them (and won’t try). Since this “quackwatch” is run by a medical doctor, it may be a little slanted.

Now you’re really scaring me, you actually think the fact that a man is a qualified doctor is an argument AGAINST his medical advice being correct. You may as well say, “I won’t cross that bridge because it was built by a qualified civil engineer. I’ll cross a bridge built by people who know nothing about bridge-building.”

 

[Petergee]

Pious:

Where pain is felt there is normally a build up of acid in that area, to combat this build up it is recommended to take an alkaline substance, which would be apple cider vinegar which is alkaline; normal household vinegar is acidic.

I have known of apple cider vinegar being recommended for rheumatism, but not plain vinegar.

besides apple cider vinegar tastes nicer

Sorry to single you out amongst all the other nonsense being put forward here, but this pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo is a perfect illustration of what I said about not using your brain.
All vinegar is acidic (“vinegar” comes from the Latin for “sour wine” which is what it is.) Everything you swallow goes through your stomach, into which your body pumps a fluid which is more than a thousand times stronger acid than any vinegar. Your body keeps all its tissues within a very narrow range of acidity, if it varied by anything more than a tiny amount, that tissue would die. Nothing which you eat or drink can affect the acidity or alkalinity of any body tissue.

No I not a materialist (one who rejects all belief in the supernatural). My beef is with those who search for supernatural cures other than through Christ and His Church.