Uproar over Cuties

[phil19034]

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It’s really sickening that they “attempted” to critique child porn and the sexulization of children BY showing child porn and sexulizing children.

That’s like saying: “in order to critique the violence we see in cities, we had to really beat up and kill people in real life to show the raw savageness”

There are ways to critique heinous subjects WITHOUT committing the heinous acts.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Muslims on social media were exceptionally angry at it

And I can see why they would be, because the film seems to have a theme of this girl being empowered somehow by being a suggestive dancer as opposed to having to conform to her religion which is portrayed in the trailer as oppressive/ abusive.

 

[27lw]

If one were to Google the federal definition of child porn I think this qualifies

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I somehow doubt the feds agree with you

 

[27lw]

Okay.
I defer to your greater knowledge but there is some sexual content involving minors, no?

 

[Polak]

I refuse to believe everyone working on this film had the purest intentions tbh

Yes, when I watched the director speak in the interview, I got the impression her intentions were good, but whoever was collaborating on it with her, or had a say in the content or how some of the scenes would be shot, definitely seems to have a filthy mind.

Only an idiot would think pedophiles won’t flock to this film for these scenes.

Oh they’ll love it and probably play certain scenes on a loop.

It’s like killing an animal to show the animal abuse is wrong.

I agree with that point too, however I was thinking about it a bit today and perhaps it isn’t as simple as that. There have been films showing the evils of racism (admittedly they usually like to focus on white racism) where you would see people use extremely offensive racial terms, that I suppose a racist would also enjoy watching, just to hear the n word thrown around etc. There are also films based on true events, such as one movie I saw about the massacres in Katyn, where again, there were some very graphic scenes of people being tortured and killed in the most brutal ways (including children). I am not a fan of these graphic scenes or racist language, but I remember there was never any uproar about those films. Well, if there was, there didn’t seem to be much because I didn’t hear about it. It happened here though, in the case of young girls being sexualised. Could the film director here not make the same argument? She was just showing it so it would really hit people hard just as the racist language does in a movie that depicts racism, that some people may still find very hard to watch.

Muslims on social media were exceptionally angry at it

Yep, it’s been banned in Turkey (a majority Muslim nation) as @Victoria33 mentioned.

I’m looking at people’s arguments with interest though and honestly, I am leaning towards my original position, that is to say, much outrage. The fact that much of the Godless liberal media are so incredibly quick to defend this, also suggests it shouldn’t be something I should be trying to defend.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I don’t understand why the islamists haven’t tried to cancel this movie, after all the main character is a young Muslim girl.

I have wondered the same thing!

And the young girl is also angry at a family situation where there is an up coming wedding to take place
because her father is taking a second wife. She sees her mother suffering who has 3 children and now the husband is bringing a new wife to their home.

 

[Lea101]

There have been films showing the evils of racism (admittedly they usually like to focus on white racism) where you would see people use extremely offensive racial terms, that I suppose a racist would also enjoy watching, just to hear the n word thrown around etc. There are also films based on true events, such as one movie I saw about the massacres in Katyn, where again, there were some very graphic scenes of people being tortured and killed in the most brutal ways (including children). I am not a fan of these graphic scenes or racist language, but I remember there was never any uproar about those films.

This would have been a good point if the girls are adults who are idk, pretending to be children. Even them I’m against it, lol.

The analogy for what you’re talking about would be pretending to kill an animal to show that animal abuse is wrong.

In this case, these are minors who are actively being sexualised to show that sexualising girls is wrong.

Do you see the difference? What you’re talking about is acting, but in this case, the very act of getting minors to do these scenes is immoral and is exactly what the director is against in the first place. So to stick to your analogy, it’s almost like getting racists to go around hurling insults at others (although it’s not a perfect analogy as the children are the ones being hurt, not the racists). But you get the point. The kids are not acting like they’re sexualised, they’re sexualised.

 

[Zach]

Feminists and publications have been claiming for decades that sexualizing
women is a bad thing because it’s the product of a patriarchal society objectifying and exploiting women. Now I’ve heard some feminists and publications saying this movie sexualizing pre teen girls is a good thing because it’s a strike at the patriarchy. So sexualizing women is a bad thing but sexualizing pre teen girls is a good thing? The rules change so quickly it’s confusing and hard to keep up with them.

 

[Niblo]

May I suggest you move your post to the Non-Catholic section. There you will find a thread on Islam.

 

[Polak]

Do you see the difference?

I do. I suppose it could be argued that this was also just acting, as those girls probably do not behave in that way in real life and were playing a part, but I take your point and it is a fair one. The lead actress is 11-years-old and she was told she had to twerk, grab her private areas and generally dance in a sexual way as part of her role, as were the other young children. Whatever the message of the movie was supposed to be, that right there very much looks like child abuse.

 

[Hodos]

I don’t understand the left’s excuse on this at all. You don’t sensationalize bad behavior and expect that somehow the behavior will go away. You model good behavior and use social pressure to stigmatize bad behavior. I haven’t seen the movie, I don’t plan on seeing it. I have seen clips from the extended trailers and I have read the comments of people who have seen it and the content of this movie is gross, disturbing, and does constitute sexual exploitation of young girls. Having 11-year-olds expose their breasts and talking about boys’ sexual organs, then dance in sexually suggestive styles with cut off shirts and booty shorts is not appropriate for any reason (again this is based on the comments of women who have said they watched the movie). This is reminiscent of the movie Kids and is almost as abhorrent.

 

[ZemD]

I read the parental warnings on IMDB before they were “cleaned” up and one comment stated during a dance scene one girl pulls down her top to expose her breast.

I watched a clip of a dance scene from the movie that was posted on Twitter, it was so vulgar I couldn’t get through the entire 2 minute clip. Anyone who has seen the new Cardi B music video, which I unfortunately watched after all the hype about it, - The dancing in “Cuties” made Cardi B’s dancing seem tame and wholesome.

I don’t care what message the movie is trying to portray. All of those child actors have parents or guardians, those adults agreed to have their daughters learn to dress, dance, and behave this way, and they allowed other adults to film it for money. All those adults need to be held accountable.

 

[Niblo]

I don’t care what message the movie is trying to portray. All of those child actors have parents or guardians, those adults agreed to have their daughters learn to dress, dance, and behave this way, and they allowed other adults to film it for money. All those adults need to be held accountable.

Yes.

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[7_Sorrows]

It was pretty much adult content throughout the movie.

I wonder about the parents allowing their daughters to
star in the movie. Is this how they want their daughters to achieve stardom?

There were many disturbing scenes in the film that were actually worse than the dance numbers.

It is no surprise the film is from France, but I was shocked the main character was from a Muslim family. I would think the film would be offensive to the
Muslim community. The main character went from a shy “good” girl to an angry “bad” girl very quickly. She wanted to be “liked” and “accepted” by the girls in the dance team and was willing to do anything she could
to prove herself.

 

[redcatholic]

Are we as Catholics discussing the culture of pedophilia on Netflix?

 

[Agnus-Dei]

Certainly appears that way. General downfall of culture, morals, perceptions as well.
Dominus vobiscum

 

[redcatholic]

Maybe we should keep a low profile.

 

[ATraveller]

There is a concerted international campaign to promote this film and its message by the critics in the pay of the media.

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And from the leading “conservative” UK broadsheet daily:

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Coming soon from these writers: endorsing pedophilia to own the cons.
By the way, Tim Robey is the writer behind the Telegraph review!

 

[Lea101]

I read the parental warnings on IMDB before they were “cleaned” up and one comment stated during a dance scene one girl pulls down her top to expose her breast.

I believe they changed it to the girls watching an adult woman exposing her breast instead. Maybe it was a mistake?

Not that it makes the film okay, obviously.