Uproar over Cuties

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I have not and will not see this series, which however obliges me to make only general observations.

And therefore I say: I disagree on permanent cancellation of the subscriptions, as I said in a previous topic, but a reaction is needed.

Otherwise the US will be reduced to being a great Italy, where directors make careers by showing continuous and totally useless sex scenes, where the Church is always represented according to the most false clichés - where comedians compete by cursing - and then saying that they are not blasphemies, we are the bigots idiots.

We have become like this in 60 years, by dint of not reacting in the face of increasingly brazen provocations.

You do very well to react in a civil and clear way, going back is very difficult: your children will thank you, for ours every day is a war.
 
brown_bear said:
I have not and will not see this series, which however obliges me to make only general observations.

And therefore I say: I disagree on permanent cancellation of the subscriptions, as I said in a previous topic, but a reaction is needed.

Otherwise the US will be reduced to being a great Italy, where directors make careers by showing continuous and totally useless sex scenes, where the Church is always represented according to the most false clichés - where comedians compete by cursing - and then saying that they are not blasphemies, we are the bigots idiots.

We have become like this in 60 years, by dint of not reacting in the face of increasingly brazen provocations.

You do very well to react in a civil and clear way, going back is very difficult: your children will thank you, for ours every day is a war.
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Why not permanently cancel?

I refuse to subscribe to it just based on their opening screen promoting immoral behavior I don’t want my kids to see.
 
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Is 11-year olds wanting to dance provocatively really a thing? By the description of this movie it sounds like it would have been more realistic if the girls were 14 or 15. Most 11-year olds are prepubescent! Twerking etc. doesn’t seem like something a typical girl of that age would come up with herself.
 
You do need an understanding of chemistry.
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If one were to Google the federal definition of child porn I think this qualifies
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Yeah? And the first question asked in court would be “is this content meant to arouse the viewer?”

Frankly I think the movie shouldn’t exist but I also think toddler pageants are just as bad if not worse.

I agree it’s poison @(name removed by moderator) but let’s be pragmatic. If we just slap something at face value then will condemn more then we help.
 
Anrakyr said:
You do need an understanding of chemistry.
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27lw:
If one were to Google the federal definition of child porn I think this qualifies
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Yeah? And the first question asked in court would be “is this content meant to arouse the viewer?”

Frankly I think the movie shouldn’t exist but I also think toddler pageants are just as bad if not worse.

I agree it’s poison @(name removed by moderator) but let’s be pragmatic. If we just slap something at face value then will condemn more then we help.
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Are you a lawyer? Pretty sure that the question you mentioned is explicitly stated in a federal definition. That the image / depiction does not have to have that intention (arousal).
 
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27lw said:
Are you a lawyer?
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No.
27lw said:
Pretty sure that the question you mentioned is explicitly stated in a federal definition. That the image / depiction does not have to have that intention (arousal).
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But I’ve spent more time buried in legal documents then I’d think is tolerable.

To quote Law Abiding Citizen:

“It’s not what’s true, it’s what you can prove in court.”
 
tuffsmurf said:
Is 11-year olds wanting to dance provocatively really a thing? By the description of this movie it sounds like it would have been more realistic if the girls were 14 or 15. Most 11-year olds are prepubescent! Twerking etc. doesn’t seem like something a typical girl of that age would come up with herself.
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It’s actually pretty common for girls that age to imitate what they see on TV, such as Cardi B and other hiphop videos. Many girls that age are not prepubescent, instead they are hitting puberty or anxiously awaiting the onset of puberty. Many girls that age will start experimenting with makeup or dressing to look older. They’re usually a couple years ahead of the boys who at the same age don’t tend to be interested in girls yet, so the young girls will be attracted to teen idols or to slightly older boys until the boys their own age start to catch up a few years later.

I also think that girls age 11 or even a little younger often don’t realize the true meaning or suggestivity of some of the gestures they’re imitating because they saw them in a video. I’m remembering a story one of my friends told some years ago when Nelly’s “Hot in Here” was a big hit. It has very suggestive lyrics and this friend of mine was babysitting or next door when a bunch of 8-9 year old girls were all having a pool party and doing the dance to that song and singing it. My friend was really uncomfortable seeing that.
 
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I remember going to a classmate’s 10th birthday party and listening to Rod Stewart sing “Do ya think I’m sexy”. Her mom seemed to think it was funny, but my mom would probably not have allowed / encouraged that song in her hearing! “Trash” she would have called it.
Don’t think anyone was dancing to it though.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
I just watched the trailer. It seems like a story that actually could happen. We all know that girls that age are likely to be doing things behind their parents’ backs like twerking and trying to dress and act so they look several years older and can lie about their age (as one girl does in the trailer). I’m not saying it’s okay behavior, but it’s what happens.
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Indeed, that seems to be the way with all evil nowadays: mix it with enough “good” and it all gets through the gate. The devil always sweetens his poison. But 11-year olds crotch grabbing shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone.
 
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Polak said:
On the other hand, perhaps the right have overreacted a bit? The film, from what I understand from the few clips I have seen and having now watched this interview with the producer, isn’t promoting this type of thing. If anything, it’s trying to show what young girls believe they have to aspire to. It shows what young girls are doing and in her interview, the director talks about how we need to try and prevent this. Having said that, I have also heard there are some very sexual moves in the dances performed by the girl, including crotch grabbing. This is dangerous. Whatever the message, I think those types of scene could attract the wrong type of audience.
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This comes off as the “pornography is art” nonsense. Crap is crap, no matter how many flowery words you ensconce it with. We can send whatever message the director wants without resorting to such base, sexual methods. The movie appears to be garbage, as is Netflix for carrying such excrement.
 
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Tis_Bearself:
I just watched the trailer. It seems like a story that actually could happen. We all know that girls that age are likely to be doing things behind their parents’ backs like twerking and trying to dress and act so they look several years older and can lie about their age (as one girl does in the trailer). I’m not saying it’s okay behavior, but it’s what happens.
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Indeed, that seems to be the way with all evil nowadays: mix it with enough “good” and it all gets through the gate. The devil always sweetens his poison. But 11-year olds crotch grabbing shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone.
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I think most people are missing this, but that’s the point the film makes!
 
Ok. I did just watch the “film” in it’s entirety. My notes to follow.
There was an exposed breast very briefly. It was on a video the girls were watching on a phone. Age of exposed part, unsure. (It would seem this, if it were an underage female could not be shown by anyone anywhere). Could have been a legal age stand in, no idea.
There is a story, but it could have been handled without all the behind shaking.
Cursing abounds, and coming from the mouths of little girls doesn’t work.
The outfits at the end are way over the top. I have seen young females in public wearing similar clothes to those shown throughout the film. Not appropriate, but not “enough” to be policed either.
Many scenes are just ridiculous outright. Little girls “trying to be sexy” very poorly. Doesn’t work as they are awkward.
The entire middle of the film drags, and I sat through anyway. I would not have missed out if I just stopped it there.
If they kept some of the dancing, the basic story, and cut most of the cursing it could have worked. But, you wouldn’t have the surrounding controversy.
There was another film, long ago that did have a tiny snip of illegal material, but it goes mostly unnoticed. The underwater swimming scene of “Blue Lagoon”. If I read it right, Brooke was 14. Don’t know how that got by.
Almost forgot
Dominus vobiscum
 
Agnus-Dei said:
There was another film, long ago that did have a tiny snip of illegal material, but it goes mostly unnoticed. The underwater swimming scene of “Blue Lagoon”. If I read it right, Brooke was 14. Don’t know how that got by.
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And yes, that was exploitation. This film is meant to be against that soft porn useage of barely legal teens. And so showed them clumsily aping adult women’s moves and prompting a feeling of ‘this should not be allowed’. And I don’t mean the film itself. But what the film portrays.

It’s an argument against using children like Brooke Shields in situations like that.
 
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Seems they would fit “the definition” almost. I’ve never looked up the exact lines to be crossed.
Here, in summer a mother was standing outside at a shave-ice stand with her two daughters. The slightly older one (9-10 maybe?)was wearing a suit, “french cut” with no “skirt cover wrap.” Standards have gone cuckoo.
Dominus vobiscum
 
Freddy said:
I think most people are missing this, but that’s the point the film makes!
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Then we’re agreed. The crotch-grabbing / closeups of 11 year old bodies / exposed breasts belong nowhere - including in this film.
 
Don’t be ridiculous. Have you molested someone? No? Then why can’t you speak out about it? I am not responsible for molesting any one at church. Neither are any of the users here. Why should we be shamed into silence in the face of grotesque moral evil, because some of our leadership decided to abuse kids and cover it up? It was wrong then, it’s wrong now (in the cuties controversy). This kind of filth needs to be vehemently opposed by all Catholics everywhere.
 
ZemD said:
I don’t care what message the movie is trying to portray. All of those child actors have parents or guardians, those adults agreed to have their daughters learn to dress, dance, and behave this way, and they allowed other adults to film it for money. All those adults need to be held accountable.
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Yes, this exactly. Who lets their daughters be in a movie like this? What is going through the mind of the adult that would allow it?
 
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