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Jeanne_S
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Interesting how nebulous the religious discrimination issue is.I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored!
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Allegra
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Meanwhile, in Missouri, our mailman just went by in dark blue floral shorts and a purple tank top. No one cares if the package delivery service has a beard or not. Just let the guy wear his beard.
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Saint_Frank
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Hahaha. Seriously?
Good point, though. It really doesn’t matter. Our mailman has a beard. That rule seems a bit silly.
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Allegra
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Either that, or I need to report a stolen mail truck.Hahaha. Seriously?
Good point, though. It really doesn’t matter. Our mailman has a beard. That rule seems a bit silly.
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Saint_Frank
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JackVk
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I work at UPS, and with several bearded guys. However, we’re in the hub loading the 18 wheelers.
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esieffe
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Strange. I have had a beard forever it seems like, even in an office environment. I never once got a complaint. Good thing too as I would hate to part with it.
Being a UPS driver is hard work. Your not going to attract these grocery store teenage golden boys to drive a big step van truck, slinging around heavy packages in the summer heat. What gives UPS?
Being a UPS driver is hard work. Your not going to attract these grocery store teenage golden boys to drive a big step van truck, slinging around heavy packages in the summer heat. What gives UPS?
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Pythons
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It’s always been the policy of UPS…
…The individual knew this “going in”.
…“Professional Victim’ism” going on here, nothing more.
…The individual knew this “going in”.
…“Professional Victim’ism” going on here, nothing more.
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Pythons
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Normally an individual seeking a job who is concerned about possible religious conflicts checks it out first…
…This would be like applying to Oscar Meyer then refusing to handle pork products.
…Or applying to be a Police Officer then filing a lawsuit because they want you to shave your beard.
UPS ( Like Law Enforcement ) requires it’s employees to “wear a uniform” & comply with a certain “Dress Code”…
…This includes facial hair.
It’s simple, it’s logical, it’s the way it is.
…This would be like applying to Oscar Meyer then refusing to handle pork products.
…Or applying to be a Police Officer then filing a lawsuit because they want you to shave your beard.
UPS ( Like Law Enforcement ) requires it’s employees to “wear a uniform” & comply with a certain “Dress Code”…
…This includes facial hair.
It’s simple, it’s logical, it’s the way it is.
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Pythons
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I guess the UK has figured out how to appease Muslims or others when their religious convictions are at odds with a job they want…
…Perhaps they are willing to change the way they do things over there to accommodate ones religious beliefs.
…I wonder how that’s working out for Christians with Christian beliefs?
…Perhaps they are willing to change the way they do things over there to accommodate ones religious beliefs.
…I wonder how that’s working out for Christians with Christian beliefs?
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Stuckinavortex
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Pythons, you are being somewhat unfair. It is perfectly acceptable for exceptions to be made to a uniform policy to incorporate religious beliefs, as far as it is practical. If I wish to wear my scapular or miraculous medal, that is my right. If a postman wishes to keep his beard as part of a religious observance, that is also his right.
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Pythons
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That’s an article of jewelry - and yes it is ( or should be ) a right to follow your religious convictions ( please don’t get me wrong )…
…What I’m saying is itsNOT an individuals right to change a thing so that fits with their Religion.
…That’s what I’m saying.
Here is an example:
An Observant Jew tries out for the NFL and make the cut…
…The guy is told many games are on Saturday & he has to be there.
…Filled with religious zeal the man files suit against the NFL.
Using your logic they should accommodate his religious belief, right?
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Stuckinavortex
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I understand your point, but there is a difference between religious beliefs that have a negative impact on the person’s ability to carry out a job and practices which have no effect whatsoever. It would be fair not to employ a Jewish NFL player if he could not meet up to his quota of games, but the postman’s beard has no impact whatsoever on his job and forcing him to remove it violates his religious freedom.
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JackyB
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I’m curious, if this man is allowed to keep his beard could a Christian man grow a beard and when told to shave bring a discrimination suit against UPS too on different grounds ( haven’t thought of one but there is bound to be something), so would it be better to do away with the no beard policy altogether?
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JustaServant
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Religious freedom is appeasing?
Seriously?
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Vico
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It is not the first time a suit like this has occurred with UPS. A suite was filed by EEOC July 10, 1990. The court granted summary judgment to UPS on March 24, 1994 but refused to rule of religious discrimination then. The court granted a motion to reconsider however, but then cross motions for partial summary judgement were filed. UPS won because EEOC had not made a prima facia case. It was later reversed and remanded based upon the court not making reasonable accommodations.
Regarding UPS and beard wearing for public positions, “employees suffering from a skin disease known as pseudo folliculitis barbae which renders shaving extremely painful. Employees suffering from this condition are allowed to wear very short beards.”
See more at: caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1120952.html#sthash.fnJQxH4b.dpuf
Other cases were filed, 2006 (dismissed), 2007:
law360.com/articles/135328/eeoc-can-seek-info-on-ups-beard-ban-2nd-circ
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Pythons
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UPS is a Company - like Les Schwab - here is the scenario.
Employer: Hi, we would love to hire you - we have a no beard policy at this company, it’s not because we dislike Islam, this is just our policy.
Potential Employee: I know many Muslims don’t have beards and some are already working for you but I am a Devout Muslim & I want you to change your policy because I want to work here. I want this job AND I’m keeping my beard.
This doesn’t compute to me. What ever happened to working for another company that didn’t conflict with his religion?
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Pythons
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I’m going to guess you are not a business owner that employees over a 100 people…
…Yes, seriously - if there is a conflict between a job you don’t even have & your religion.
…You should select a job, at a company, that doesn’t have a conflict with your religion.
…Yes, seriously.
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Pythons
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The same goes here in the U.S. An individual cannot be discriminated against because of their Age, Race, Religion, Gender, etc…
…Would you attribute a companies policy of no beards to be an act of discrimination on the part of the Company?
…Would you attribute a companies policy of no beards to be an act of discrimination on the part of the Company?
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