US Bishop Change: Seattle

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I hope he comes in and cleans house. The Seattle Archdiocese is basically run by anti-Catholics. It has been since the time of Archbishop Hunthausen. Fr. Ryan, the pastor of our Cathedral is basically Hunthausen jr.
 
Bataar said:
I hope he comes in and cleans house. The Seattle Archdiocese is basically run by anti-Catholics. It has been since the time of Archbishop Hunthausen. Fr. Ryan, the pastor of our Cathedral is basically Hunthausen jr.
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The Seattle Archdiocese is basically run by anti - Catholics? You don’t think this is just a tiny bit over the top, not to mention unkind? Well, as I said, the new bishop will surely have his hands full.
 
Tsuwano said:
The Seattle Archdiocese is basically run by anti - Catholics? You don’t think this is just a tiny bit over the top, not to mention unkind? Well, as I said, the new bishop will surely have his hands full.
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Not really. Many, many of the churches preach heresy from the pulpit, catholic schools are abysmal, RCIA teachers are taught by staff working at the Cathedral that all religions are equally true, I could go on and on citing individual examples and how it’s encouraged by the front office of the archdiocese. A few years ago, my mom was looking for a retreat center and ended up having to go to one in Oregon because there isn’t a single decent one in western Washington. She still gets the brochures for retreat centers run by the Seattle Archdiocese and the pagan/new age nature of the retreats, that are run and sponsored by the archdiocese would sicken you.
 
Bataar said:
Not really. Many, many of the churches preach heresy from the pulpit, catholic schools are abysmal, RCIA teachers are taught by staff working at the Cathedral that all religions are equally true, I could go on and on citing individual examples and how it’s encouraged by the front office of the archdiocese. A few years ago, my mom was looking for a retreat center and ended up having to go to one in Oregon because there isn’t a single decent one in western Washington. She still gets the brochures for retreat centers run by the Seattle Archdiocese and the pagan/new age nature of the retreats, that are run and sponsored by the archdiocese would sicken you.
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So, you’re claiming that the Bishop of Seattle, who is being replaced by Bishop Sartain, and the priests of the Archdiocese are heretices and anti - Catholic and you don’t believe you are exagerrating? I admit I know very little about the Church in Seattle, but it would take a lot more than what you have offered for me to believe such an accusation. Sorry, it doesn’t wash with me.
 
We have a lot of orthodox priests and bishops here, too. Don’t throw around the accusations quite so much. Thanks, Tsuwano 👍
 
Bataar said:
I hope he comes in and cleans house. The Seattle Archdiocese is basically run by anti-Catholics. It has been since the time of Archbishop Hunthausen. Fr. Ryan, the pastor of our Cathedral is basically Hunthausen jr.
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Don’t expect any immediate changes. I think he comes in and assesses the situation first. He also leads by example. I’ve met him a couple of times, and he comes across as a strong and holy man. But things did change in the diocese and I think it was all change for the better.

In the largest parish here (kinda’ liberal) , they announced that they would be using Latin in some parts of the Mass. This was about 2 years ago.

In my parish, they have been printing excerpts from a document about the Mass, the new changes, and why it’s important.

I think you will find him a Bishop who knows how to “bish” , but remember, it took Jesus some time to prepare people for understanding what the Messiah was meant to do before He started to let his own Disciples in on His identity and mission. Keep your expectations measured and you will find the changes coming about.
 
Seattle Archdiocese does have faithful/orthodox priests, esp. among the younger priests. However, there are heterodox priests/laymen in influential & highly visable positions. The city of Seattle is a hot-bed for radical same-sex activism & abortion. 20+ yrs ago when Bishop Weurl was sent in by Rome to stabilize this archdiocese (& mentor Archbishop Hunthausen?) he & Pope John Paul II were vilified on the front page Seattle Times repeatedly. Seattle is no Mayberry RFD - - Bishop Sartain needs our prayers.
 
I think it is a good time for Archbishop Sartain to come. Think what you want about Archbishop Hunthausen but to his credit, in the 1980’s he was probably the first bishop to implement a strong policy to combat sexual abuse. Archbishop Brunett has accomplished much during his time here to correct liturgical abuses. There will always be those who do not fully comply and I have no doubt that there are still liberals in prominent places but they are getting old. Now it is time for someone else to come in and finish the job. Archbishop Sartain is arriving at a time when the ground work has already been done and things have already changed for the better in many places. I’m sure he must appreciate what his predecessors have done to make his job easier.
 
zab said:
I think it is a good time for Archbishop Sartain to come. Think what you want about Archbishop Hunthausen but to his credit, in the 1980’s he was probably the first bishop to implement a strong policy to combat sexual abuse. Archbishop Brunett has accomplished much during his time here to correct liturgical abuses. There will always be those who do not fully comply and I have no doubt that there are still liberals in prominent places but they are getting old. Now it is time for someone else to come in and finish the job. Archbishop Sartain is arriving at a time when the ground work has already been done and things have already changed for the better in many places. I’m sure he must appreciate what his predecessors have done to make his job easier.
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I agree. Archbishop Brunett did a lot to improve the situation, and he has been supportive of the FSSP and other Latin initiatives.
 
Zabs comments re: Archbishop Hunthausen has me firmly biting down on my tongue.
 
zab said:
I think it is a good time for Archbishop Sartain to come. Think what you want about Archbishop Hunthausen but to his credit, in the 1980’s he was probably the first bishop to implement a strong policy to combat sexual abuse. Archbishop Brunett has accomplished much during his time here to correct liturgical abuses. There will always be those who do not fully comply and I have no doubt that there are still liberals in prominent places but they are getting old. Now it is time for someone else to come in and finish the job. Archbishop Sartain is arriving at a time when the ground work has already been done and things have already changed for the better in many places. I’m sure he must appreciate what his predecessors have done to make his job easier.
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Archbishop Brunett says a lot of good things, but as they say, (in)actions speak louder than words. What liturgical abuses did Brunett fix? He even made it so that the official position for the people to be in during the Eucharistic consecration is to stand, not to kneel. Many churches don’t have kneelers at all, most have the tabernacle off to the side or completely hidden, many priests don’t stay near the altar during the sign of peace, but instead go down to shake hands with the people which is against the rubrics of the Mass. He has continued the trend of keeping good, orthodox priests as far away from the cities as possible (I’m sure there are a few exceptions, but none spring to mind).
 
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Archbishop Brunett says a lot of good things, but as they say, (in)actions speak louder than words. What liturgical abuses did Brunett fix? He even made it so that the official position for the people to be in during the Eucharistic consecration is to stand, not to kneel. Many churches don’t have kneelers at all, most have the tabernacle off to the side or completely hidden, many priests don’t stay near the altar during the sign of peace, but instead go down to shake hands with the people which is against the rubrics of the Mass. He has continued the trend of keeping good, orthodox priests as far away from the cities as possible (I’m sure there are a few exceptions, but none spring to mind).
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Yeah, today i visited a parish (St. Benedict’s in Wallingford) where everyone stood after receiving communion, only myself and a few other visitors knelt, and the ciborium and chalace appeared to be ceramic, and the liturgy was quite loose. As far as a previous poster has commented as to whether there were any orthodox priets still within the city limits, Fr. Harris of St. Mark’s in Shoreline is certainly one of them who is reverent and holds to the GIRM and orthodox teaching.
 
comrade1789 said:
Yeah, today i visited a parish (St. Benedict’s in Wallingford) where everyone stood after receiving communion, only myself and a few other visitors knelt, and the ciborium and chalace appeared to be ceramic, and the liturgy was quite loose. As far as a previous poster has commented as to whether there were any orthodox priets still within the city limits, Fr. Harris of St. Mark’s in Shoreline is certainly one of them who is reverent and holds to the GIRM and orthodox teaching.
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I can also recommend Fr. Lappe at Our Lady Star of the Sea in Bremerton.

Oh…and, of course, Fr Saguto FSSP of the Church of the North American Martyrs.
 
Uhmmm…the GIRM says that standing until after Communion is the norm in the dioceses of the United States.

I can give the names of some other great priests, too…
 
after receiving or “until after receiving?” When I referenced the GIRM, I wasn’t speaking of the issue of standing, but of loose liturgy, but I can see how I wasn’t as clear as I ought to have been. However, in reference to standing vs kneeling after receiving Communion, I don’t read in the GIRM where it states either, on that “88. When the distribution of Communion is finished, as circumstances suggest, the priest and faithful spend some time praying privately. If desired, a psalm or other canticle of praise or a hymn may also be sung by the entire congregation.” I reckon if you are praying while standing up after receiving communion, rather than just standing around, then good. Just seems a bit harder way to interiorize and show reverance, most Masses I’ve been to the celebrants kneel and quietly spend time with the Lord whom they’ve just received into their innermost being.
 
It’s in the…uhhmmm…appendix? addition? for the United States. I’d have to read it again, and see what the Latin says, too.
 
rlg94086 said:
This link includes the quoted section of the GIRM (43) and an excellent explanation of controversy:
adoremus.org/0703Kneel.html
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Wow! Thank you. After reading this section I am more muddy than ever, at least I am in the company of authorities who themselves seem to differ with one another on interpreting and applying the rules for posture. But I don’t want to get too far off topic, this converstion should trnspire in the Liturgy and Sacraments Forum. But anyone interested in this controversy really should read the link provided by Robert. Thanks again!
 
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