US Bishops' Conference Largely Disappointed by Debt Ceiling Agreement

[rlg94086]

Interesting that not a single Bishop was quoted in the story and no specifics were given about what cuts they found unacceptable. As we saw with the Bishop Albany’s statement last week there seems to be a lot of misconceptions among the bureaucracy of the US Council of Catholic Bishops about what the debt ceiling deal actually entailed.

I noticed that too. When I read “bishops” and “largely disappointed,” I made the mistake of not noticing the word “conference” and looking in the article for citations of the large number of disappointed bishops.

 

[estesbob]

You say in your dream your Apostolic successors were committing robbery at a restaurant. Do you truly believe true Apostolic successors would commit robbery?

I wasn’t aware that John Carson was an apostolic successor? When were USCCB bureaucrats admitted to the Magisterium?

 

[CMatt25]

Interesting that not a single Bishop was quoted

"the U.S. bishops’ conference said"

Unless you’re just wanting to pick and choose those who suit your politics, you don’t really need a single one when you have a whole conference.

 

[CMatt25]

I wasn’t aware that John Carson was an apostolic successor? When were USCCB bureaucrats admitted to the Magisterium?

Totally irrelevant to Wynnejj’s dream with Apostolic successors at a restaurant. Wynnejj didn’t even mention dining with Carson. In the meantime though I shall await the USCCB denouncing Mr Carson. Not posters on a private internet forum.

 

[rlg94086]

"the U.S. bishops’ conference said"

Unless you’re just wanting to pick and choose those who suit your politics, you don’t really need a single one when you have a whole conference.

Actually, that’s not how the conference works.

 

[estesbob]

"the U.S. bishops’ conference said"

Unless you’re just wanting to pick and choose those who suit your politics, you don’t really need a single one when you have a whole conference.

As a Non-Catholic it is not surprsing you are not aware of how the USCCB works. Perhaps the Vatican gudiance on the authority of these conferences would be helpful

• At the level of particular Churches grouped together by geographic areas (by countries, regions, etc.), the Bishops in charge do not exercise pastoral care jointly with collegial acts equal to those of the College of Bishops.*

1. In fact, only the faithful entrusted to the pastoral care of a particular Bishop are required to accept his judgement given in the name of Christ in matters of faith and morals, and to adhere to it with a religious assent of soul.

So you see Matt its not a matter picking an choosing-its a matter of making oneself aware of what the church teaches and adhereing to it.

 

[estesbob]

Totally irrelevant to Wynnejj’s dream with Apostolic successors at a restaurant. Wynnejj didn’t even mention dining with Carson. In the meantime though I shall await the USCCB denouncing Mr Carson. Not posters on a private internet forum.

Again your lack of knowledge on how the USCCB functions and their authority seriously hampers you in these discussions>

 

[wynnejj]

You say in your dream your Apostolic successors were committing robbery at a restaurant. Do you truly believe true Apostolic successors would commit robbery?

Judas was a true apostle and, he committed robbery and worse. When I dream of apostolic successors committing robbery at a restaurant with a ponzi scheme, I’m dreaming of apostolic successors made in the image & likeness of secular humanism.

My statement should have read…

I dreamt that I went to a restaurant with certain liberal bishops. When it came time to pay for the check, they said “Don’t worry. The next group that comes to this table will pay for our table and a percentage of the table over there & there & there.”.

(After all, we started this conversation about federal funding of international charities.)

 

[CMatt25]

In fact, only the faithful entrusted to the pastoral care of a particular Bishop are required to accept his judgement given in the name of Christ in matters of faith and morals, and to adhere to it with a religious assent of soul.

Doesn’t sound like a universal church to me in then.

 

[estesbob]

Doesn’t sound like a universal church to me in then.

As I said it is hard for a non-Catholic to grasp-, especially when they’re trying to spin church teachings to fit their political views.

 

[JimG]

The U.S. is spending 4 billion dollars a day more than it takes in. Does the bishops’ conference and the CRS find nothing morally objectionable about that?

 

[estesbob]

The U.S. is spending 4 billion dollars a day more than it takes in. Does the bishops’ conference and the CRS find nothing morally objectionable about that?

Since the bureaucrat who wrote the letter gave us no details it is impossible for us to tell

 

[CMatt25]

As I said it is hard for a non-Catholic to grasp-, especially when they’re trying to spin church teachings to fit their political views.

I don’t know I suppose it could be harder for a non-Catholic to grasp. But lets just say if I was a Catholic according to who your actual Catholic Church teaching says is a Catholic. And my bishop had an entirely different moral view about the debt and the poor than your bishop. Lets presume mine had a view more in line with the morals addressed in the conference statement presented here. 2 sets of world views. But you would be listening to your bishop and I would have to be listening to mine.

 

[estesbob]

I don’t know I suppose it could be harder for a non-Catholic to grasp. But lets just say if I was a Catholic according to who your actual Catholic Church teaching says is a Catholic. And my bishop had an entirely different moral view about the debt and the poor than your bishop. Lets presume mine had a view more in line with the morals addressed in the conference statement presented here. 2 sets of world views. But you would be listening to your bishop and I would have to be listening to mine.

The Church has no teaching on the proper level of funding for social programs… Your insistence on viewing the Church as nothing more than another political party happens your ability to understand

 

[JimG]

When my bishop does fundraising, he likes to know where the money is coming from.
I don’t think he would advise me to borrow in order to send him money.

 

[CMatt25]

The Church has no teaching on the proper level of funding for social programs… Your insistence on viewing the Church as nothing more than another political party happens your ability to understand

From the answers I read here on this forum, I’d have thought the Catholic Church taught conservative, Republican, Tea Party political views regarding funding for social programs.

 

[estesbob]

From the answers I read here on this forum, I’d have thought the Catholic Church taught conservative, Republican, Tea Party political views regarding funding for social programs.

Have you run out of straw yet?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

It goes like this “the bishops said they were disappointed with that ceiling bill. Therefore it is okay for Catholic to vote for a candidate who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand as long as he supports increased social spending.”

It is the usual shell game we see played where “progressive” Catholics ignore explicit, direct statements by the magisterium on the impropriety of voting for pro-abortion candidates but grab onto any hint that the magisterium was not happy with the level of social spending as carte blanche to support pro-abortion candidates.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth bob. As usual, your ‘spin’ is noted, and wrong.

This discussion is not about playing a 'trump card, as you do with every issue being discussed, but trying to understand how other issues discussed by bishops are off the table, or open to disagreement, to the point of criticizing the bishops.

There are people who claim others must adhere to certain bishops when it comes to proportionate reasons, but immediately put up arguments on other issues they happen not to agree with and call it ‘prudential judgement’. There seems to be a certain hypocrisy in that, in my honest opinion.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

When my bishop does fundraising, he likes to know where the money is coming from.
I don’t think he would advise me to borrow in order to send him money.

I didn’t see where ‘borrowing’ was discussed in the article. It seemed more pointed to what ‘cuts’ were targeted.

 

[CMatt25]

Thanks for putting words in my mouth bob. As usual, your ‘spin’ is noted, and wrong.

This discussion is not about playing a 'trump card, as you do with every issue being discussed, but trying to understand how other issues discussed by bishops are off the table, or open to disagreement, to the point of criticizing the bishops.

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