US Bishops Web Site introduces New Mass Translation

[rpp]

This is very welcome.

The US bishops’ conference has released a new web site designed to introduce the faithful to a new English translation of the Mass. After years of work, the translation will be introduced after it receives final clearance from the Holy See.

The revised translation adheres to new Vatican norms requiring greater adherence to the original Latin text of the Roman Missal. Bishop Arthur Serratelli, who chairs the US bishops’ liturgical committee, describes the new texts as “understandable, dignified and accurate.”

Story here: catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=3846

USCCB new translation site: usccb.org/romanmissal/

 

[rep140]

I read the proposed changes and I think they make the Mass more vertical and pointed toward God, which is a good thing. The priests will have to explain a few things:

1. What is the significance of the people replying “and with your spirit” instead of “and also with you”.
2. Define “consubstantial” and “incarnate” to folks in the pews.

 

[xformer7]

Think the “updated and revised rubrics” will address things such as holding hands or the orans position for we lay folk?

 

[rpp]

Think the “updated and revised rubrics” will address things such as holding hands or the orans position for we lay folk?

I think that is highly unlikely. No one should be forcing you to hold hands. If they are, tell them they are being rude.

 

[Brendan]

Define “consubstantial” and “incarnate” to folks in the pews.

That should be pretty easy, as just about everyone who recieves communion should already be familiar with “Transubstantial”

 

[Brendan]

Think the “updated and revised rubrics” will address things such as holding hands or the orans position for we lay folk?

Nope, but it will address striking your breast three times during the Penitential Rite Form A

 

[pnewton]

It can’t happen soon enough for me. I am going to seriously consider composing a Gloria since it seems most OCP and GIA composers can’t follow simple instructions like “don’t change the words”.

 

[rlg94086]

It can’t happen soon enough for me. I am going to seriously consider composing a Gloria since it seems most OCP and GIA composers can’t follow simple instructions like “don’t change the words”.

I like the Gloria we have, and I refuse to chant it any different!!!

“Gloria in excelsis Deo…”

Seriously though, I am looking forward to the implementation next year. I think I will add topic to our Adult Faith Formation program this year. I will make sure I let some of my less-enthused-about-Latin parishioners know that they wouldn’t have to change as much had they embraced Latin.

 

[buffalo]

I read the proposed changes and I think they make the Mass more vertical and pointed toward God, which is a good thing. The priests will have to explain a few things:

1. What is the significance of the people replying “and with your spirit” instead of “and also with you”.
2. Define “consubstantial” and “incarnate” to folks in the pews.

1. That is the actual meaning of Et cum spiritu tuo.

 

[thunderballs75]

Think the “updated and revised rubrics” will address things such as holding hands or the orans position for we lay folk?

Probably not, considering the fact that the people in the picture are doing the orans position. LOL

Honestly, the new translation doesn’t seem that different to me.

 

[rlg94086]

Probably not, considering the fact that the people in the picture are doing the orans position. LOL

Haha…good catch.

 

[fcgv]

Praise God…maybe this will help address some of the blatant heresies present in the current state of NOM parishes in North America.

 

[pnewton]

Praise God…maybe this will help address some of the blatant heresies present in the current state of NOM parishes in North America.

Not being from Canada I do not know what heresies you have or what a NOM parish is. What heresy do you have from the current translation?

 

[m134e5]

I like it, generally speaking. The translation of the Credo could use some work though- not so much for accuracy, but for grammar- it has incomplete sentences in it. It just doesn’t seem to flow very well.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

I like it, generally speaking. The translation of the Credo could use some work though- not so much for accuracy, but for grammar- it has incomplete sentences in it. It just doesn’t seem to flow very well.

That’s because it was not set up to be translated for english grammer. Its more of a literal translation. If you think this is bad, you should have seen the 1st draft, it would have sent everyone (including priests and bishops) running for dictionaries.

 

[RobbyS]

That’s because it was not set up to be translated for english grammer. Its more of a literal translation. If you think this is bad, you should have seen the 1st draft, it would have sent everyone (including priests and bishops) running for dictionaries.

Not much different from the diction in the English mass in, say, 1964. As it went, they dumbed down the English, and it is this we have been using.

 

[A.Pelliccio]

I like how the picture of the Mass is of all the parishoners in the orans position . . .

 

[rep140]

If I wrote something like the Credo my 8th grade teacher would have returned it with red all over it. The grammar is so bad that it is hard to follow. I hope the Vatican has an English teacher take a look at this.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

If I wrote something like the Credo my 8th grade teacher would have returned it with red all over it. The grammar is so bad that it is hard to follow. I hope the Vatican has an English teacher take a look at this.

LOL, its not just the Credo, many of the prayers also contain run ons. Oh well, in another 20 years we can readjust it again…

Liturgiam authenticam

1. [Liturgical texts] should be free of an overly servile adherence to prevailing modes of expression. If indeed, in the liturgical texts, words or expressions are sometimes employed which differ somewhat from usual and everyday speech, it is often enough by virtue of this very fact that the texts become truly memorable and capable of expressing heavenly realities… Thus it may happen that a certain manner of speech which has come to be considered somewhat obsolete in daily usage may continue to be maintained in the liturgical context… These principles, in fact, should free the Liturgy from the necessity of frequent revisions when modes of expression may have passed out of popular usage.

1. …It should be borne in mind that a literal translation of terms which may initially sound odd in a vernacular language may for this very reason provoke inquisitiveness in the hearer and provide an occasion for catechesis.

1. Certain expressions that belong to the heritage of the whole or of a great part of the ancient Church, as well as others that have become part of the general human patrimony, are to be respected by a translation that is as literal as possible…

1. …Even so, expressions that have a particular doctrinal or spiritual importance or those that are more widely known are, insofar as possible, to be translated literally.

 

[rlg94086]

LOL, its not just the Credo, many of the prayers also contain run ons. Oh well, in another 20 years we can readjust it again…

So, are you opposed to the translation change; excited about the translation change?

Did you receive training in Latin in the seminary? I’m curious, because we have a lot of visiting priests who seem pretty lost when it comes to praying the Credo…or even the Gloria for that matter. Our priest introduced it to the parish after Pope Benedict said we should all know the common prayers Latin.