US Bishops Web Site introduces New Mass Translation

[kalel76]

Well, Christmas of 2010 and Easter of 2011 should be interesting when all the C&E Catholics come in and wonder what in the world people are saying!

 

[Canto]

Well, Christmas of 2010 and Easter of 2011 should be interesting when all the C&E Catholics come in and wonder what in the world people are saying!

It may cause them to do a bit of research and lead them to come to Mass a little more often

 

[rlg94086]

I didn’t say I could write properly, I just hate publicly reading things that are obviously incorrect.

I’m glad you took my post as the light-hearted humor it was meant to convey.

I’m sure there was a lot of discussion about whether to adjust the grammar or to make the translation as literally accurate as possible. They obviously sided on the literal.

 

[rlg94086]

Cardinal Pell is from Australia not South Africa so he may not exaclty be up to speed on South African mass attendance. But either way, the “target audiance” roundly rejected it. You are correct that there was virtually no catechesis done, but how much really needs to be done? Its merely a new translation.

Its great that some like it, but let’s be realistic about the fact that some will not like it. Are they any less “Catholic” because they like another translation better?

All of this just convinces me more and more that we should pray the common prayers in Latin at Mass. As Catholics, praying our common prayers universally, in one language, would be a beautiful sign of unification. The dissension and referring to Catholics as a “target audience” really saddens me.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

All of this just convinces me more and more that we should pray the common prayers in Latin at Mass. As Catholics, praying our common prayers universally, in one language, would be a beautiful sign of unification. The dissension and referring to Catholics as a “target audience” really saddens me.

That’s how my great grandmother and aunts felt when the great change occurred. They said that they loved the fact that they could go to Mass anywhere in the world and it would be the same, it was a constant that spoke to them about the unity of belief in God. I’ve never lived with that, our school masses were in EF when I was a kid and Sunday mass was a conservative version of the OF. Then when I went to college it was really liberal OF, and for the rest of my life I’ve been “church shopping” to find a place where I can worship comfortably. It shouldn’t have to be that way, we should all be the same.

 

[rlg94086]

That’s how my great grandmother and aunts felt when the great change occurred. They said that they loved the fact that they could go to Mass anywhere in the world and it would be the same, it was a constant that spoke to them about the unity of belief in God. I’ve never lived with that, our school masses were in EF when I was a kid and Sunday mass was a conservative version of the OF. Then when I went to college it was really liberal OF, and for the rest of my life I’ve been “church shopping” to find a place where I can worship comfortably. It shouldn’t have to be that way, we should all be the same.

In my case, I am a convert who went through RCIA in a “liberal OF” parish and only knew that form of the Mass until a few years ago. I’ve only been to one EF Mass, but I definitely prefer the “conservative” form of OF (i.e. Gregorian chant, Latin common prayers, all the smells/bells, etc.) over the “liberal” form (i.e. liturgically sub-standard music, liturgical dancers with streamers, etc.).

I will learn the new translation, teach/discuss them in our Adult Faith Formation program and help my pastor any way I can. I’ve actually held off having my younger children memorize the English versions of the Gloria, Credo and Sanctus (they know them in Latin). I look forward to the opportunity of fresh catechesis with the new translations…time to review the meaning of the prayers.

 

[pnewton]

Reading Knox, one gets what Paul is saying, even though the translation is far from literal.

The Creed is not the place for dynamic equivalence, regardless of how smooth it is. Getting across what one is saying is not the same as accurately translating. This sort of ease of translation surely has its place. I applaud the NAB for its readability. One can read books at a time as if it were a novel in the NAB.

Liturgy is different. Accuracy is the most important goal. I like understanding what I read by having it in English, but it must be dead on literal. Saying the same thing in a smoother way simply is not allowed liturgically. In this, the English-speaking peoples need to adjust to the Church if the vernacular is to be admitted. If not, we will have agendas and opinions apart from Church teaching injected into the Mass. History has shown us this much. Even when orthodoxy is maintained, this sort of change is not allowed. It is an offense against our univerality.

 

[pnewton]

Come on, let’s not be overly dramatic. The South Africans who hated the new translation aren’t trying to “subvert truth”, they just prefer the other translation.

Over dramatic? They used the word “hate” referring to a translation and rpp is the one being over-dramatic?