US declassifies report - exposes details on israels nuclear program

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Obama’s America, toothless as an enemy, and treacherous as a friend. Must be more of that “smart diplomacy” we keep hearing about.
 
ucfengr said:
Obama’s America, toothless as an enemy, and treacherous as a friend. Must be more of that “smart diplomacy” we keep hearing about.
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You mess with the Bull, you get the horns.

Don’t **** off Obama or Valerie!
 
The world’s smallest violin is playing for for them. I encourage Benjamin Netanyahu to dry his tears on some of the billions of dollars the US has given Israel. I’m pretty sure that everyone and his mother knows that Israel has nukes, officially are not.
 
Yes they do, and Moshe Dayan wanted to use them on the second day of the Yom Kippur War, yet he’s not considered to be one of those Middle Eastern Mad Men.
 
BackHand said:
The world’s smallest violin is playing for for them. I encourage Benjamin Netanyahu to dry his tears on some of the billions of dollars the US has given Israel. I’m pretty sure that everyone and his mother knows that Israel has nukes, officially are not.
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Sure everybody knows it. But it apparently is Iraeli policy not to say it, for whatever reasons. The U.S. has always known that. It strikes me as very odd that the U.S. would now directly go against that policy when the only imaginable beneficiaries of it would be the anti-Israeli (and anti-U.S.) propagandists, and those who wish to further isolate the U.S. from those countries that might consider the U.S. an ally but for things like this.

I notice that Egypt and apparently some other Sunni states have undertaken a “boots on the ground” operation in Yemen without notifying the U.S. government. Given that the U.S. can’t keep a secret, there’s no mystery as to why.
 
Wasn’t there a complaint about Israel spying on U.S. negotiations with Iran? I do hope the U.S. has not been spying on Israel. :eek:
 
Joe_Kelley said:
Wasn’t there a complaint about Israel spying on U.S. negotiations with Iran? I do hope the U.S. has not been spying on Israel. :eek:
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Actually, the U.S. government only surmised that the Israelis were spying because of conversations the U.S. got while spying on Israel.
 
Joe_Kelley said:
Wasn’t there a complaint about Israel spying on U.S. negotiations with Iran? ** I do hope the U.S. has not been spying on Israel. :eek**:
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The Dimona reactor became active some time between 1962 and 1964, and with the plutonium produced there the Israel Defense Forces most probably had their first nuclear weapons ready before the Six-Day War. When the United States intelligence community discovered the purpose of the site in the early 1960s, the U.S. government demanded that Israel agree to international inspections. Israel agreed, but on the condition that U.S., rather than International Atomic Energy Agency, inspectors be used, and that Israel would receive advance notice of all inspections. Israel is one of two nations not to have signed the NPT (others are India and Pakistan, both of which have acknowledged having nuclear weapons.), and alongside North Korea which left the NPT.[10]

Some claim that because Israel knew the schedule of the inspectors’ visits, it was able to hide the illegal manufacture of nuclear weapons, thereby deceiving the inspectors, by installing temporary false walls and other devices before each inspection.[11] The inspectors eventually informed the U.S. government that their inspections were useless, due to Israeli restrictions on what areas of the facility they could inspect. By 1969 the U.S. believed that Israel might have a nuclear weapon,[12][13] and terminated inspections that year

Not to worry…US intelligence is like comparing a schoolboy to his teacher…Israel…they probably already knew this administration would release this information
 
Given the timing of the declassification and the selective redaction of the report, one has to wonder about the choices that were made from the top. But a request to publish the report was filed under the Freedom of Information Act three years ago by American journalist Grant Smith.
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And to think, when I submitted Grant Smith’s website on another thread here last year as a valuable source of information, the content of my post was dismissed, and Mr. Smith’s website mocked.:rolleyes:

For anyone interested, I again offer Mr. Smith’s organization for a penetrative look at Israeli and Israel-American lobby effects on the United States government, how our justice system and foreign policy is being manipulated and perverted by the power elite.

irmep.org/ILA/default.asp
 
ucfengr said:
Obama’s America, toothless as an enemy, and treacherous as a friend. Must be more of that “smart diplomacy” we keep hearing about.
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A very accurate assessment; in the long run you’re better off as an enemy of the US than an allies because the one thing you can count on with the post 60’s America is abandonment when they get tired of you.
 
ucfengr said:
Obama’s America, toothless as an enemy, and* treacherous as a friend*.
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I am European, and I think it is accurate to say most Europeans despise Americans (their government) as untrustworthy and immoral. It’s a shame because Europe and America are natural allies… or should be.
 
GraceSofia said:
I am European, and I think it is accurate to say most Europeans despise Americans (their government) as untrustworthy and immoral.
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Why then do so many European countries belong to NATO, which is an alliance with the USA?
 
Tomdstone said:
Why then do so many European countries belong to NATO, which is an alliance with the USA?
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Oh, come on. Why did Hitler and Stalin sign a pact?
European governments feel safer inside NATO than out of it.
 
GraceSofia said:
Oh, come on. Why did Hitler and Stalin sign a pact?
European governments feel safer inside NATO than out of it.
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I think it is fair to say that Europeans do not like the USA as a government (not just this government, but the previous ones as well). The reason European nations are in NATO is for self-preservation against attack. We don’t like US governments (Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference) but the USA is a very powerful ally to have and from the USA’s point of view, protecting Western Europe as a set of democratic nations is in its interests economically and defensively.

Do Europeans fear that Russia will attack? Go ask someone in Lithuania (an EU nation) if they are concerned about the prospect of a Russian invasion. Russia poses a real military threat to Europe, of that there is little doubt. We’ve seen a lull in the cold war for a couple of decades, but it has now resumed again, with real the threats that go with it.

Membership of NATO is not about supporting common ideals amongst nations we like and respect, it’s about survival and protecting mutual interests.
 
Tomdstone said:
Do you really think that Russia is going to attack?
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They already are. Do you suppose they are an innocent bystander with Iran? No-one believes that world wide. Rather odd they want peace in Yemen for the Russia Iran backed radicals but none for Ukraine.

Irans supreme leader, is Vladimir Putins spirtual guide by his own words, decided to join the nuclear talks this week.

pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/09/06/putin-i-saw-jesus-in-irans-leader/
During that meeting, according to the report, Khamenei talked about the history of Russia and what lies ahead, which surprised Putin. Afterward, Iranian diplomats said that Putin’s behavior had changed drastically. When Putin returned to Moscow, a reporter asked what he thought of the Iranian supreme leader. Putin is quoted as saying: “I don’t know much about the Messiah, the Christ, just what I have heard or read in the Bible, but I saw Christ, the Messiah, in the leader of Iran.”
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Tomdstone said:
Why then do so many European countries belong to NATO, which is an alliance with the USA?
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Inertia is probably a big part of it. NATO was formed in response to the Soviet threat to Western Europe in 1947. Bureaucracies, once formed, are terribly difficult to unwind.
 
Well, doesnt the bible specifically say every other nation will be against Israel near the end?
 
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