US Presidential Election Debate #1

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I’m watching some of the debate coverage. If Gore thinks that Denver is too high a place for Obama to think, what happens when Obama gets into an airplane? :eek: Does Al Gore know something we should know?
He likely speaks to God in the heavens. First name basis, I’m sure.
 
I’m watching some of the debate coverage. If Gore thinks that Denver is too high a place for Obama to think, what happens when Obama gets into an airplane? :eek: Does Al Gore know something we don’t?

But the funniest thing I’ve seen, and I don’t usually like Colbert, is this: realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/05/colbert_inhales_chris_matthews_impotent_rage.html

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Not to mention that Denver was just as high for Romney.
 
Not sure if this has been posted but worth a read! I’m still howling at Pruden’s turn of phrase

*Chris Matthews, who has the loudest mouth on cable TV and thrives in a state of 24/7 hysteria, was rendered into a vast pool of lard. He was typical for the night. He was so overwrought, you might have thought the creepy-crawly he usually feels on his leg when he hears Mr. Obama speak had crawled into his underwear. He offered to tutor the president for the next two debates.
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Lisa
 
In America, one of the biggest risk factors for health problems in the poor is obesity. This is a far cry from other countries where the poor are undernourished or even starving. In addition, the average household which is classified as poor in America has a color TV and almost 70% of the time they own 2, they own at least one car, and a cell phone. Again, this is a stark difference from what poor is in other countries.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...b2575/b2575_chart2600px.ashx?w=600&h=581&as=1

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...1/07/b2575/b2575_table1.ashx?w=500&h=425&as=1

Please don’t get me wrong. We need to help those who need it. We need to see Christ in them. However, we also need to be honest. My wife is from Brasil. When people talk about the poor in the news or comments are made by political candidates, she laughs. According to her, America is the only country where the poor drive to pick up their unemployment check in their own car, and while waiting in line, check facebook on their iPhone. Having been overseas extensively myself, I am inclined to say her basic point is sound.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...5/b2575_appendix_table1.ashx?w=500&h=784&as=1

Only 0.4% of households in America report not having enough food to eat. Obviously, we need to consider the homeless, etc. but this is not nearly the problem that some would make it out to be.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...1/07/b2575/b2575_chart7.ashx?w=500&h=591&as=1
We also know that of all the countries in our league, that the US fails in nearly every measure of social success which is commonly measured, thing like: child welfare measure by several standards, longevity, infant mortality, educational achievement, social mobility… It turns out that even the rich in the US are not as well of as the rich in other countries, where there is a more even income distribution. There is tremendous social good achieved by distributing wealth through taxation, or by limiting income for the top earner. Everyone wins, even the top earners, because it turns out that when all of society benefits, then everyone does indeed benefit. The two top countries are Sweden and Japan, who just happen to have the narrowest gap between rich and poor. Sweden does it with high tax rates. Japan does it by limiting top pay for executones.
 
We also know that of all the countries in our league, that the US fails in nearly every measure of social success which is commonly measured, thing like: child welfare measure by several standards, longevity, infant mortality, educational achievement, social mobility… It turns out that even the rich in the US are not as well of as the rich in other countries, where there is a more even income distribution. There is tremendous social good achieved by distributing wealth through taxation, or by limiting income for the top earner. Everyone wins, even the top earners, because it turns out that when all of society benefits, then everyone does indeed benefit. The two top countries are Sweden and Japan, who just happen to have the narrowest gap between rich and poor. Sweden does it with high tax rates. Japan does it by limiting top pay for executones.
NO. And there is plenty of evidence to show it. When there is no incentive to work, people don’t. Production falls, there is not enough to eat, so people drink to stave off despair and hunger. Kids get abandoned, food rots in the field. The black market takes over at that point, and becomes the “new competition without rules or scruples.” That’s where this goes. Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union went down this path and (name removed by moderator)overished their populations over schemes like this. They are still digging themselves out and will be for years.

As for Japan’s tax rate: Japan has had a lost decade. They’ve been in recession for years. You can’t get a job. Suicide rates are enormous. It’s very depressing in Japan. Don’t you ever wonder why so many manufactured items say China or Korea instead of Japan on their country of origin stickers now?

Sweden’s economy couldn’t support the US. When was the last time you bought something made in Sweden?
 
NO. And there is plenty of evidence to show it. When there is no incentive to work, people don’t. Production falls, there is not enough to eat, so people drink to stave off despair and hunger. Kids get abandoned, food rots in the field. The black market takes over at that point, and becomes the “new competition without rules or scruples.” That’s where this goes. Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union went down this path and (name removed by moderator)overished their populations over schemes like this. They are still digging themselves out and will be for years.

As for Japan’s tax rate: Japan has had a lost decade. They’ve been in recession for years. You can’t get a job. Suicide rates are enormous. It’s very depressing in Japan. Don’t you ever wonder why so many manufactured items say China or Korea instead of Japan on their country of origin stickers now?

Sweden’s economy couldn’t support the US. When was the last time you bought something made in Sweden?
Liberals have been sleeping through alarm clocks such as yours for four years now. If Bush had Obama’s record, he’d be down by 30 points now. Failure after failure after failure. Rigged jobs and inflation reports would never have been accepted under Bush. The reason that Romney trounced Obama for 90 minutes is b/c Mitt cut through the rotten lies from the teleprompter that BHO’s clueless supporters applaud, even now. Left unfiltered, Obama appeared as he is: a small and vacuous man. :eek: Rob
 
We also know that of all the countries in our league, that the US fails in nearly every measure of social success which is commonly measured, thing like: child welfare measure by several standards, longevity, infant mortality, educational achievement, social mobility… It turns out that even the rich in the US are not as well of as the rich in other countries, where there is a more even income distribution. There is tremendous social good achieved by distributing wealth through taxation, or by limiting income for the top earner. Everyone wins, even the top earners, because it turns out that when all of society benefits, then everyone does indeed benefit. The two top countries are Sweden and Japan, who just happen to have the narrowest gap between rich and poor. Sweden does it with high tax rates. Japan does it by limiting top pay for executones.
Look many of the “statistics” you cite are questionable as the gathering of those numbers differ from country to country. For example if you take homicides and auto accidents out of US lifespans, the numbers change dramatically. This is not to say how wonderful it is that if we don’t kill each other or wreck our cars we live forever but to say that you cannot compare apples and oranges and pretend they are equivalent. The infant mortality is also a canard as the way “infant” death is determined differs from country to country. We would include a stillborn child as an infant death, other countries do not.

Further you cannot compare relatively small, homogenous countries with the US. We HAVE taken in your poor, your huddled masses. You cannot take our diverse, geographically scattered, and culturally individualistic Americans and make them automatons. We are not Japan or Sweden…although I’ve bought cars from both countries!

The Left’s obsession with bringing everyone down to the level of mediocrity does not create a more perfect society. Do you want to live in a place where you are stuck at a certain level with no opportunity to excel? Do you want your “A” in English given to the illiterate slacker who doesn’t do his homework? If we limit executive pay do we also put limits on sports heroes or actors?

Bag the utopian dreams and live in the real world epan. America is a great country and it’s great because we are not stratified into predetermined lives. We have the chance to do what our God given gifts, effort, determination and yes luck allow. What Obama wants is equal sharing of misery for everyone but his tiny elite. Romney wants an opportunity society.

I know which one I prefer.

Lisa
 
Bag the utopian dreams and live in the real world epan. America is a great country and it’s great because we are not stratified into predetermined lives. We have the chance to do what our God given gifts, effort, determination and yes luck allow. What Obama wants is equal sharing of misery for everyone but his tiny elite. Romney wants an opportunity society.
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Yeah. In my experience in Europe (lived in Thame, England for 6 months, sold to companies throughout Europe), there is definitely a difference between the UK & Ireland and continental Europe.
Definitely, not to mention the language barrier…we have quite a lot from the east, most can speak english, some good, some bad, and to be understood sometimes, I end up talking like a robot ! not to mention the telephone conversations, they’re something else :banghead:
 
Obama is being more negative and cattier maybe than ever before towards Romney after his terrible debate performance. I think it will turn independents and undecideds off, and he is still harping on about a $5 million tax cut that Romney said to him multiple times in the debate was untrue and Obama’s campaign manager has said Romney does not have $5 trillion tax cut plan
 
Obama is being more negative and cattier maybe than ever before towards Romney after his terrible debate performance. I think it will turn independents and undecideds off, and he is still harping on about a $5 million tax cut that Romney said to him multiple times in the debate was untrue and Obama’s campaign manager has said Romney does not have $5 trillion tax cut plan
I wish he did 😃

Agree completely with your analysis.
 
Obama is being more negative and cattier maybe than ever before towards Romney after his terrible debate performance. I think it will turn independents and undecideds off, and he is still harping on about a $5 million tax cut that Romney said to him multiple times in the debate was untrue and Obama’s campaign manager has said Romney does not have $5 trillion tax cut plan
So it’s now Obama and his own campaign manager fighting over whether Romney has a $5 TR tax cut. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Actually, this is a pretty funny election, even if the consequences are serious.
 
WOW!! I haven’t bought The New Yorker in ages (used to have a subscription!) but if this is on the newsstand I’m pungling up the six bucks or whatever just to have this cover. Love the use of Eastwood’s empty chair to portray the empty suit and empty rhetoric. It was all smoke and mirrors folks.

While I doubt if the MSM is going to abandon Obama, there is clearly a chink in the armor. The press are a bunch of egotistic stuffed shirts as well and don’t like when their own lack of diligence is there for all to see.

Lisa
 
WOW!! I haven’t bought The New Yorker in ages (used to have a subscription!) but if this is on the newsstand I’m pungling up the six bucks or whatever just to have this cover. Love the use of Eastwood’s empty chair to portray the empty suit and empty rhetoric. It was all smoke and mirrors folks.

While I doubt if the MSM is going to abandon Obama, there is clearly a chink in the armor. The press are a bunch of egotistic stuffed shirts as well and don’t like when their own lack of diligence is there for all to see.

Lisa
Yup. They supported him completely until the debate. Now they will begin to support themselves by trying to appear fair and balanced.
 
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