US tests ballistic missile -

[abinjoy]

nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/asia/united-states-tests-unarmed-intercontinental-ballistic-missile.html

Shouldn’t be there sanctions against the US for doing so?

 

[ucfengr]

nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/asia/united-states-tests-unarmed-intercontinental-ballistic-missile.html

Shouldn’t be there sanctions against the US for doing so?

No.

 

[AFerri48]

nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/asia/united-states-tests-unarmed-intercontinental-ballistic-missile.html

Shouldn’t be there sanctions against the US for doing so?

Nope, this was in retaliation to North Korea. And comparing the USA to North Korea is like comparing a cop to a psychotic criminal who is threatening to kill people and saying neither should have guns.

 

[mikekle]

Nope, this was in retaliation to North Korea. And comparing the USA to North Korea is like comparing a cop to a psychotic criminal who is threatening to kill people and saying neither should have guns.

IDK about that.

Its likely the US has its hands in far more shady, corrupt, immoral dealings, but they are currently the biggest and richest kid on the playground, so of course they are going to get away with much more than a lesser country.

Look at it this way, the US is the only country to have ever used a nuke against another nation in war, so maybe the other nations should feel a little different than they do when the US tests a missile. If the tables were turned its pretty likely the US would use this as an argument too.

 

[EasterJoy]

“Test”?

I think they were showing the US has the missile technology to hit the headboard on Mr. Kim’s bed from North Dakota. Or anywhere else on the planet they choose to shoot from, probably. (They probably have enough intelligence to know exactly where that is, besides. It isn’t as if he plays musical chairs with his whereabouts.)

Let us hope for the world’s sake that North Korea doesn’t decide to play “oh, yeah, you think you’re tough, big guy?” with the Trump Administration. There is no reason to believe Mr. Trump is pretending the poor impulse control thing.

 

[ucfengr]

IDK about that.

Its likely the US has its hands in far more shady, corrupt, immoral dealings, but they are currently the biggest and richest kid on the playground, so of course they are going to get away with much more than a lesser country.

Look at it this way, the US is the only country to have ever used a nuke against another nation in war, so maybe the other nations should feel a little different than they do when the US tests a missile. If the tables were turned its pretty likely the US would use this as an argument too.

I hadn’t thought of that. The US nuked a peaceful Japan for absolutely no reason. Japan was just minding its own business and then “shooosh”…

 

[Ridgerunner]

“Test”?

I think they were showing the US has the missile technology to hit the headboard on Mr. Kim’s bed from North Dakota. Or anywhere else on the planet they choose to shoot from, probably. (They probably have enough intelligence to know exactly where that is, besides. It isn’t as if he plays musical chairs with his whereabouts.)

Let us hope for the world’s sake that North Korea doesn’t decide to play “oh, yeah, you think you’re tough, big guy?” with the Trump Administration. There is no reason to believe Mr. Trump is pretending the poor impulse control thing.

It’s very difficult to know about NoKo. Some believe Kim is insane. I doubt he is. Some believe he’s the only problem over there. I very much doubt that. His grandfather set up a total police state in which certain people of ability were favored with all kinds of perks. Now and then, one would fall out of favor, being distrusted, or simply as an example to others, and would be imprisoned or killed.

But people like Kim Jong-Il don’t want to die any more than Stalin did. To Kim, this life and its luxuries are all there is. But behind him is a whole network of others who share power with him in at least some ways and share “the good life” too. I don’t doubt they’re profoundly evil, but none of them want to die.

But while I don’t much think Kim is crazy, his system is crazy, and could end up doing something crazy that perhaps neither Kim nor his major supporters really want.

Very possibly the military and intelligence people who advise the president did this demonstration in order to encourage sobriety with Kim, but perhaps especially among his supporters in the NoKo military and intelligence.

 

[Crusaderbear]

The test was scheduled long before un was a problem. There are no sanctions against un either, except he is supposed to warn the rest of the world he is testing, fot safety reasons. Op , you really don’t like America, do you? But in America, that’s ok. God bless you.

 

[JimG]

It’s possible, even likely, that the Minuteman III launch from Vandenberg had nothing to do with North Korea. The Air Force routinely conducts tests of MM-III to ensure the reliability of the MM-III fleet. Test launches are not normally scheduled based on outside factors. This testing has been going on since 1963. During the peak of the Cold War, there were someties one or two launches per week from VAFB down the western test range. It’s far less frequent than that now.

But the U.S. doesn’t produce videos of Pyongyang going up in flames, as NoKo does with its propaganda videos showing Washington DC being destroyed by North Korean missiles.

Vandenberg launch schedule can be found here.

 

[Crusaderbear]

The test was scheduled a long while ago…we warn people. NK just shoots, if it hits a plan or something, so what. That is the difference. Testing by anyone is not illegal (unless there are treaties preventing it…) There are no treaties preventing US tests.

 

[TK421]

nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/asia/united-states-tests-unarmed-intercontinental-ballistic-missile.html

Shouldn’t be there sanctions against the US for doing so?

Well, a member of the U.N. could bring it up if they really wanted to. The US has the backing of Europe and even a soft backing from China and Russia when it comes to the N. Korean threat.

When your state media agency is threatening nuclear genocide in an official capacity towards S. Korea, Japan, the US, and anybody else that irks them, it tends to cause waves. Like, if I went to a party, and I threatened to commit genocide, I’m guessing I wouldn’t make any friends. If I took a date out to dinner and talked about committing genocide, she probably wouldn’t call me back.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

I think billing this as a test is a poor strategic manoeuvre

If USA still needs to ‘test’ weaponry, what’s that say?

 

[josh987654321]

nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/asia/united-states-tests-unarmed-intercontinental-ballistic-missile.html

Shouldn’t be there sanctions against the US for doing so?

No.

Now if they conducted this test near the border of Russia, China or some other Country like that, then you would have a valid point.

What do you expect the USA to do? Should they just ignore North Korea as the previous administration was doing and Kim Jong-un will just magically stop?

I think the US should try and be fully prepared for whatever Kim Jong-un may throw at them. Pray for the best but prepare for the worst.

There are instances (mainly in the previous administration) where I think the USA overstepped their bounds, but this is certainly not one of them.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[JimG]

I think billing this as a test is a poor strategic manoeuvre

If USA still needs to ‘test’ weaponry, what’s that say?

It says that they are doing due diligence. You put 450 MM-III’s in silos for years on strategic alert, keep the electronics and monitoring systems going, but the only way to be sure they are going to perform when they have to is to sometimes pull one out and test launch it. It’s the same with any weapon system.

 

[josh987654321]

I think billing this as a test is a poor strategic manoeuvre

If USA still needs to ‘test’ weaponry, what’s that say?

It says that they are capable of delivering if needed. Otherwise it’s a bluff.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Crusaderbear]

There are always tests, quality assurance is one, improved rocket motors, better guidance. Over my military career, I only fired two warshots (cruise missiles…) I fired over twentyfive test shots…not counting guns. There is nothing sinister or threatening in these typextests, only the fear mongering of the press looking for a good story…

 

[josh987654321]

I hadn’t thought of that. The US nuked a peaceful Japan for absolutely no reason. Japan was just minding its own business and then “shooosh”…

I would have preferred they dropped the bombs on military targets first or tested it on Japanese shores for them all to see, that way hopefully they would have surrendered without having to wipe out two major cities. I think it was wrong for them to have targeted cities first.

But your absolutely right, just saying that the USA is the only Country who has ever used an Atomic Bomb is as biased and deceptive as the claim that religion causes war.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[M-Dent]

Occasionally one can find a well-written informative article (as much is allowed based on National Security Interests) on the topic.

A Minuteman III missile inside the silo known as Foxtrot 2 in Montana was on alert for nearly half a century, ready to fire a more than 300-kiloton hydrogen bomb to an adversary anywhere in the world in about 30 minutes.

That mission ended in February, when an Air Force crew ventured out onto the frozen Great Plains with a special crane and pulled it out of the hole. It was headed for sunny California.

The aging missile had been selected for a test fire, to prove it still worked and could hit a bull’s-eye — within several hundred feet, anyway — on a target in the South Pacific, 4,200 miles away.

About four times every year, the Air Force goes through the exercise of pulling an ICBM out of a silo, removing its nuclear warhead and sending it to Vandenberg Air Force Base near Lompoc for a test launch.

The tests, which cost $18 million each, not only give the Air Force crucial data on the function of its aging missiles, but send a clear international signal, complete with high-definition photography, of America’s continued ability to launch a nuclear strike.

The missile selected for testing had been chosen randomly in an improbable but apparently long-standing Air Force tradition: A map of missile sites was put on a wall and an officer was selected to throw a dart at it. The dart hit Foxtrot 2’s location, about 22 miles northeast of tiny Augusta, Mont., sometimes called the “last original cow town in the West.”

“We can’t think of a more random method than that,” said Maj. Gen. Fred Stoss, operations commander for the Global Strike Command. Stoss recalled that when it was his turn to select a missile, it took him a couple throws to even hit the list — a fact not to be taken as predictive of the Air Force’s actual targeting capabilities in the event of nuclear war.

latimes.com/local/california/la-na-nuclear-missile-test-20170612-story.html

 

[GKC]

I would have preferred they dropped the bombs on military targets first or tested it on Japanese shores for them all to see, that way hopefully they would have surrendered without having to wipe out two major cities. I think it was wrong for them to have targeted cities first.

But your absolutely right, just saying that the USA is the only Country who has ever used an Atomic Bomb is as biased and deceptive as the claim that religion causes war.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

They wouldn’t have. Those scenarios are commonplace in the postwar discussion of the end game in the Pacific theater. A subject I’ve been studying for around 20 years. A good coverage of why this was not the way to go may be found in Newman’s TRUMAN AND THE HIROSHIMA CULT, chap. 3, inter alia

The general topic often arises in August of each year. I always hate to see it do so.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

I think billing this as a test is a poor strategic manoeuvre

If USA still needs to ‘test’ weaponry, what’s that say?

You should always do tests of equipment and systems. Just as you should change the oil in your car or rotate the tires instead of just calling it good and then shearing your engine apart one day in the middle of nowhere.

For example, the US military does services on, say, a M2 .50 cal machine gun on a regular schedule, then you want to take it to the range and test fire it and then certify your gunners on it. And sometimes you find that the firing pin spring is worn out so the pin doesn’t protrude enough to contact the primer, or the nipple shears off the barrel after 50rds due to recoil. And these parts have to be ordered and replaced. But you would never just leave it in the arms room and hope its good to go when you need it to invade North Korea. And the M2 has been around since the 1930s.