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Seamus_L
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At the end of the day it still isn’t worth going to war over. And, I’d still like to see Iran removed from the Axis Of Evil and replaced with Saudi Arabia.
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He_Man
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Not surprising. The UN is worthless, and our President is spineless (and if you dooubt it, just ask his own base, who continue to rail on him for not having the guts to “fight.”.)
I’m sure Ack will come around after the two presidents sit down at their next US sponsored summit. It involves sharing a cup of Earl Grey and watching reruns of Grizzly Adams.
US diplomacy at its finest…
I’m sure Ack will come around after the two presidents sit down at their next US sponsored summit. It involves sharing a cup of Earl Grey and watching reruns of Grizzly Adams.
US diplomacy at its finest…
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Adeodatus
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May God bless them.
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poker10
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Iran has been “difficult” for decades. Even during the Bush administration. Of course they weren’t too difficult when we were trading arms with them during the Reagan years…oh wait…yes they were.
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Tsuwano
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Just because something is an opinion doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t true. Besides, it is somewhat more than opinion. One need only look at the relative strength of the two nations today to see that Iran is in a much stronger position militarily when compared to Iraq. The reason Iraq is weaker today is because it was defeated in a war against a coalition of nations led by the U.S. and instigated by President George Bush and his administration. As for your comment on stability, other than to comment on the fact that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was not an “Islamic” power in the same sense that Iran is, I agree that two such powers in the region is not a recipe for stability. I also put little faith in appeasement, but that wasn’t the focus of my last post anyway. I merely point out the obvious; Iraq is a weaker power than Iran and that is primarily due to the U.S. led invasion and the fall of Saddam Hussein. Whether this is good or bad is a different point.
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Darryl1958
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Weird, eh? The guy was quite sincere it wouldn’t be no biggie from his point of view.
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JDeJ
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Shouldn’t al Qaeda be going after the non-jihadists that won’t give them credit where credit is due?
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pnewton
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Yes, some opinions (usually mine,
) are true. I will clarify to say I know your opinion is based in sound evidence and I understand its validity. Speculative alternative history is… speculative, even where evidence exists. Perhaps more time will lend more credence as to which one of us was right. That Domino Theory thing didn’t pan out too much, but look how long it took to figure that out.
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Kadaveri
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Obama has taken a far more aggressive line towards Iran than Bush. He’s escalated a military buildup around Iran’s borders, in the Persian Gulf and in the US military base in Diego Garcia. He’s greatly increased funding to the creation of low-yield ‘bunker buster’ nuclear weapons, which have been designed specifically to destroy Iranian military facilities which are mostly underground in the mountains surrounding Tehran and south towards the Gulf. He has also issued a declaration that US would not use nuclear weapons against any nation unless they used them first, with one exception, against Iran. The Iranians are nervous about him and are increasing their own military spending to deter an American attack.
According to the US Defense Department’s 2010 report to Congress:
The US media typically neglects to report this.
According to the US Defense Department’s 2010 report to Congress:
The US media typically neglects to report this.
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Bob_Crowley
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To be honest, I don’t think the US would bother with a conventional war in the case of Iran. It’s too costly, and they’ve already had the experience of war in two Moslem countries - Iraq and Afghanistan. In neither country has there been a revolution towards democratic thinking.
This is different to the US experience in Europe after World War II. The nations there had cultural similarities. Even the conflict with Communism featured Western idealism on both sides, since Marxism was a Western invention.
But that’s not the case with Islam. This is another religion altogether, and will be far more difficult to counter.
If there is a war with Iran, I suspect that Israel might start it, if they feel threatened enough. They themselves are nuclear armed, or so conventional wisdom has it. Once that happens, the US would be drawn in against it’s will, but I think that they’d cut their losses by using the big guns pretty early on eg. Nuclear bunker busters at the very least.
In the meantime I fail to see what else the US can do about Ahmandinejad. He’s the Iranian President, like it or not.
Meanwhile there is the ever present threat of oil embargo, if there was ever an Arab statesman who could do the requisite fence building with his Arab mates. I don’t think bugalug is the man for that, and the Iranians are not Arabs, so I’ve led to believe. Yasser Arafat was the last man who had that potential, and at this stage I can’t think of any. But then I don’t take much interest in Middle East politics. It’s tribal machiavelliasm in my opinion.
This is different to the US experience in Europe after World War II. The nations there had cultural similarities. Even the conflict with Communism featured Western idealism on both sides, since Marxism was a Western invention.
But that’s not the case with Islam. This is another religion altogether, and will be far more difficult to counter.
If there is a war with Iran, I suspect that Israel might start it, if they feel threatened enough. They themselves are nuclear armed, or so conventional wisdom has it. Once that happens, the US would be drawn in against it’s will, but I think that they’d cut their losses by using the big guns pretty early on eg. Nuclear bunker busters at the very least.
In the meantime I fail to see what else the US can do about Ahmandinejad. He’s the Iranian President, like it or not.
Meanwhile there is the ever present threat of oil embargo, if there was ever an Arab statesman who could do the requisite fence building with his Arab mates. I don’t think bugalug is the man for that, and the Iranians are not Arabs, so I’ve led to believe. Yasser Arafat was the last man who had that potential, and at this stage I can’t think of any. But then I don’t take much interest in Middle East politics. It’s tribal machiavelliasm in my opinion.
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Vixit
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Totally immature. “I’m taking my ball and going home!” The US delegation could have taken the opportunity to rebut Mr. Ahmadinejad to his face, but instead chose to retreat to the safety of their offices and then respond via the media. Absolutely pathetic. Like a bullied child running home and getting Mommy to call the bully’s parents, when all it takes is to give the bully one good slug to the jaw…
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Tsuwano
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To be honest Pnewton, your opinions usually are true (from my point of view) and I tend to find myself nodding in agreement with almost everything you post. :tiphat:Yes, some opinions (usually mine,
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pnewton
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Rebut to whom? There was no one left with the desire to listen. This is a good example of, “Cast not your pearls before swine.”
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Fitz
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YEP, like it’s their job! Oh, perhaps it is
There are always those that will still take a random shot at George W Bush regardless of how ridiculous the connection.
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Vixit
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No one left? Wow.
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7_Sorrows
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i agree with another poster - why do they let him speak in front of the UN? he only wants the attention.
i didn’t know that other countries walked out along with the U.S.
i am glad they did.
i didn’t know that other countries walked out along with the U.S.
i am glad they did.
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pnewton
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Yes, there were those that do not care for the U.S. and support Islamic radicalism. There were those that do not care one way or another.
No rebuttal is needed to nuttiness. I hate to say this, but that is something I see here at CAF. Some things are so far out in left field, like this speech, that no answer could possible do a better job of rebuttal than the person’s own words. No response is sometimes the best response. Walking out, is a form of communication. When this Iranian claimed that the U.S. blew up its own buildings, what could possibly have been said that would make Ahmadenijad look crazier than his own theories?
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tskrobacz
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I was struck by President Ahmadinejad’s discussion of the 100’s of thousands the US killed in Iraq and how the US Government has not been forth coming in publishing the true costs of this war to the American people. As Catholics we should all be appalled at our Government for neglecting to even acknowledge those maimed and murdered by our own “counter-terrorist/terrorist” acts.
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pnewton
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If nothing was every acknowledged, how do we know about it? We take the word of this nut case?
The United States did report and was open about it’s actions. However, Ahmadinejad believes it to be far worse and underreported, just like he believes the CIA (or some shadow entity) blew up the Twin Towers.
I think he’s off his meds.
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tskrobacz
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Where is the report on the number of Iraqi civilians killed?If nothing was every acknowledged, how do we know about it? We take the word of this nut case?
The United States did report and was open about it’s actions. However, Ahmadinejad believes it to be far worse and underreported, just like he believes the CIA (or some shadow entity) blew up the Twin Towers.
I think he’s off his meds.
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